Swiss Sabre

clockwork · 24th April 2015, 05:51 PM

Hi there everybody, I been gone awhile but just picked up a beautiful Swiss Sabre. I was told its made around 1700. I'm having issues with pic size and will post them as soon as I can. The Sabre is around 3 and half feet in length but will get you excact specs soon as I get back to the the states.

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clockwork · 26th April 2015, 04:15 PM

Over all length is approx 3 feet 8 inches.

fernando · 27th April 2015, 12:50 PM

Wonderful piece, Tony.
Let's see what comments you will receive about it.

kronckew · 27th April 2015, 02:16 PM

beautiful sword. the swiss made, and still make some of the finest weapons.

reminds me of the old anecdote about the german kaiser watching a swiss Schützenfest with a swiss official, the kaiser made an offhand remark asking 'what would the swiss do with only a quarter million militia if i invaded switzerland with half a million of my best professional soldiers. the swiss official said 'shoot twice and go home.

cornelistromp · 27th April 2015, 08:25 PM

Nice sword !
about the authenticity, I will not say anything for the moment based on the posted photographs alone.

The sword can be authentic or not there are a lot of veracious "reproductions" made in the 19th and 20th centuries.
because the hilt has a thumb ring, the sword is made after 1577* probably at the end of the 16th century.

for other comparable examples, see for example Wallace A489 . a sword from 1530, and another later one auctioned at Thomas del mar???

best,
Jasper

* see drawing attached
Circle/School of Federico Zuccaro
1557-1609
A Swiss Halberdier, standing slightly to right, and a separate study of his left hand and of the halberdier
Red chalk, on two sheets conjoined.

this corresponds to the earliest known thumbring in Art.
the first illustration with this type of thumb ring known, published by A.V.B. Norman, is in the portrait of Melchior Hornlocher by Hans Bock I, dated 1577 (Basle oeffentliche Kunstsammlung, inv NR 80).

clockwork · 28th April 2015, 01:35 AM

I was told by the dealer it was from 1700 and that it came out of a private collection. From the research that I have done the blades did fall out of favor in the early 1700s but I cannot find pics of those models. The most common one I come across is the 1530 variant.

24th April 2015, 05:51 PM	#1
clockwork Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 93	Swiss Sabre Hi there everybody, I been gone awhile but just picked up a beautiful Swiss Sabre. I was told its made around 1700. I'm having issues with pic size and will post them as soon as I can. The Sabre is around 3 and half feet in length but will get you excact specs soon as I get back to the the states. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 26th April 2015 at 08:53 PM.

27th April 2015, 08:25 PM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,057	Nice sword ! about the authenticity, I will not say anything for the moment based on the posted photographs alone. The sword can be authentic or not there are a lot of veracious "reproductions" made in the 19th and 20th centuries. because the hilt has a thumb ring, the sword is made after 1577* probably at the end of the 16th century. for other comparable examples, see for example Wallace A489 . a sword from 1530, and another later one auctioned at Thomas del mar??? best, Jasper * see drawing attached Circle/School of Federico Zuccaro 1557-1609 A Swiss Halberdier, standing slightly to right, and a separate study of his left hand and of the halberdier Red chalk, on two sheets conjoined. this corresponds to the earliest known thumbring in Art. the first illustration with this type of thumb ring known, published by A.V.B. Norman, is in the portrait of Melchior Hornlocher by Hans Bock I, dated 1577 (Basle oeffentliche Kunstsammlung, inv NR 80). Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 27th April 2015 at 08:39 PM.

26th April 2015, 04:15 PM	#2
clockwork Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 93	Over all length is approx 3 feet 8 inches.

27th April 2015, 12:50 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Wonderful piece, Tony. Let's see what comments you will receive about it.

27th April 2015, 02:16 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	beautiful sword. the swiss made, and still make some of the finest weapons. reminds me of the old anecdote about the german kaiser watching a swiss Schützenfest with a swiss official, the kaiser made an offhand remark asking 'what would the swiss do with only a quarter million militia if i invaded switzerland with half a million of my best professional soldiers. the swiss official said 'shoot twice and go home.

28th April 2015, 01:35 AM	#6
clockwork Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 93	I was told by the dealer it was from 1700 and that it came out of a private collection. From the research that I have done the blades did fall out of favor in the early 1700s but I cannot find pics of those models. The most common one I come across is the 1530 variant.