Weapon or tool?

chregu · 16th February 2010, 03:28 PM

Good evening
anyone know what that is, where it comes from and how old it is?
blade length of 20cm
Handle length 26cm
9mm in thickness of the blade 3mm attacked on sharp.
gruss chregu

Mytribalworld · 16th February 2010, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chregu

Good evening
anyone know what that is, where it comes from and how old it is?
blade length of 20cm
Handle length 26cm
9mm in thickness of the blade 3mm attacked on sharp.
gruss chregu

Druide knife

Jens Nordlunde · 16th February 2010, 04:46 PM

Grürtzi,
I am not sure, but it could be what Stone on page 83 in his Glossary calls a Ram Dao or sacrificial axes, and that would make it Indian, but he also mentions that some of the could be for agriculture. The Ram Dao can have many different forms and sizes.

Queequeg · 16th February 2010, 06:30 PM

Chregu,

That looks like a Hasiya (aka Khurmi) from Nepal. You can see examples here and here.

chregu · 16th February 2010, 06:45 PM

hello mandaukudi
A small problem, my sickle is not made of gold. smile.

Jens Nordlunde · 17th February 2010, 04:11 PM

Here is the picture from Stone, no. 1 and 2 are supposed to be Nepalese.

Dom · 17th February 2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Druide knife

u 've been too fast

when I saw the pic, it's the 1st thought coming to my spirit ...

à +

Dom

chregu · 18th February 2010, 04:16 PM

hallo Jens Nordlunde
I read the description in the Stone, but I do too little.
therefore I have tried in this way to find out what it is.
Many thanks anyway
gruss chregu

fearn · 18th February 2010, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

u 've been too fast

when I saw the pic, it's the 1st thought coming to my spirit ...

à +

Dom

We actually had a real druid's sickle show up a couple of years ago, although the picture is long gone. Think fancy European sickle with a horn handle like a fancy carving knife and silver trim. It was probably regalia from a 19th or early 20th century druid's lodge (think Elks Lodge, not neopagan, although there are neopagan druids nowdays).

And some years ago, a modern druid did try cutting down mistletoe with a golden sickle he made (he was also a jeweler), and found out that yes, gold will cut mistletoe, although it's 1-2 branches per golden sickle before the blade breaks.

As for this piece, the decoration looks like Indian or Nepalese.

Best,

F

Billman · 24th February 2011, 06:20 PM

Not Nepalese, Ceylonese (now Sri Lanka) - a very ornate form of the local billhook (or one of the local shapes) generally known as a "catte"... pronounced kattay - not sure of the spelling as currently in France and my archives are in the UK...

So a tool (CH serpe/gertel/hippe/heppe/haumesser), not a weapon....

In the Stone image above, nos 3 and 4 (possibly also no 5) look to be from Ceylon as well....

Just checked the web - one version called a Ran-kaetta- see: http://books.google.fr/books?id=Nk8x...llhook&f=false

Also cattie, see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/29997802/Old-Ceylon-1877

Also ketta, see: http://www.jstor.org/pss/93135

chregu · 24th February 2011, 07:16 PM

hello Billman
Thank you for this absolutely great information.
Sincerely Chregu

Billman · 24th February 2011, 10:31 PM

Very pleased to have been of help - I've just found a few more alternative spellings:

"Catty" we use comes from the Tamil "Katthi" - a knife or billhook - see: http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/cult/38.htm

Also 'ketha' see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/srilan...s/message/3739

In southern India the local name for a billhook is 'kandali' in the kannada language - which I guess may have the same etymological roots

see: http://books.google.fr/books?id=E1C3...page&q&f=false

Once you start searching the www it is difficult to stop...

Amuk Murugul · 25th February 2011, 12:58 AM

Hullo everybody,

As there have been much 'cross-pollination' between Sri Lanka and the Archipelago over the centuries, I thought I'd include the Soenda term for this 'billhook': Tjongkrang.

Best,

Billman · 25th February 2011, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody,

As there have been much 'cross-pollination' between Sri Lanka and the Archipelago over the centuries, I thought I'd include the Soenda term for this 'billhook': Tjongkrang.

Many thanks - another word for my billhook lexicon - only a few thousand other languages and dialects to go.....

Jenny Ida · 25th February 2011, 08:10 PM

Note the resemblance to SEA mak

Billman · 20th March 2011, 02:16 PM

Hi just found some images from Parker, ref tools from Ceylon...

Just need to remember who Parker is....

Update: Found it - H Parker, Ancient Ceylon 1909 - see http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N...page&q&f=false

16th February 2010, 03:28 PM	#1
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Weapon or tool? Good evening anyone know what that is, where it comes from and how old it is? blade length of 20cm Handle length 26cm 9mm in thickness of the blade 3mm attacked on sharp. gruss chregu Attached Images

17th February 2010, 04:11 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	Here is the picture from Stone, no. 1 and 2 are supposed to be Nepalese. Attached Images

24th February 2011, 06:20 PM	#10
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Catte Not Nepalese, Ceylonese (now Sri Lanka) - a very ornate form of the local billhook (or one of the local shapes) generally known as a "catte"... pronounced kattay - not sure of the spelling as currently in France and my archives are in the UK... So a tool (CH serpe/gertel/hippe/heppe/haumesser), not a weapon.... In the Stone image above, nos 3 and 4 (possibly also no 5) look to be from Ceylon as well.... Just checked the web - one version called a Ran-kaetta- see: http://books.google.fr/books?id=Nk8x...llhook&f=false Also cattie, see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/29997802/Old-Ceylon-1877 Also ketta, see: http://www.jstor.org/pss/93135 Last edited by Billman; 24th February 2011 at 07:07 PM.

24th February 2011, 10:31 PM	#12
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Alternative spellings Very pleased to have been of help - I've just found a few more alternative spellings: "Catty" we use comes from the Tamil "Katthi" - a knife or billhook - see: http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/cult/38.htm Also 'ketha' see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/srilan...s/message/3739 In southern India the local name for a billhook is 'kandali' in the kannada language - which I guess may have the same etymological roots see: http://books.google.fr/books?id=E1C3...page&q&f=false Once you start searching the www it is difficult to stop...

20th March 2011, 02:16 PM	#16
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Hi just found some images from Parker, ref tools from Ceylon... Just need to remember who Parker is.... Update: Found it - H Parker, Ancient Ceylon 1909 - see http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N...page&q&f=false Attached Images

16th February 2010, 04:46 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	Grürtzi, I am not sure, but it could be what Stone on page 83 in his Glossary calls a Ram Dao or sacrificial axes, and that would make it Indian, but he also mentions that some of the could be for agriculture. The Ram Dao can have many different forms and sizes.

16th February 2010, 06:30 PM	#4
Queequeg Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Detroit (New Mayapan) Posts: 96	Chregu, That looks like a Hasiya (aka Khurmi) from Nepal. You can see examples here and here.

16th February 2010, 06:45 PM	#5
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello mandaukudi A small problem, my sickle is not made of gold. smile.

18th February 2010, 04:16 PM	#8
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hallo Jens Nordlunde I read the description in the Stone, but I do too little. therefore I have tried in this way to find out what it is. Many thanks anyway gruss chregu

24th February 2011, 07:16 PM	#11
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello Billman Thank you for this absolutely great information. Sincerely Chregu

25th February 2011, 12:58 AM	#13
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 457	Hullo everybody, As there have been much 'cross-pollination' between Sri Lanka and the Archipelago over the centuries, I thought I'd include the Soenda term for this 'billhook': Tjongkrang. Best,

25th February 2011, 08:10 PM	#15
Jenny Ida Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 12	Note the resemblance to SEA mak