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Montino Bourbon · 2nd December 2023, 09:07 PM

In any aspect of art, there is both “knowing“ and “feeling “. and dealing with such things as “Tosan Aji” is clearly a blend of both. Thank you for your reply.

David · 2nd December 2023, 10:42 PM

Montino, if i might resort to a somewhat over used pop cliché, Use the Force Luke!

A. G. Maisey · 3rd December 2023, 12:23 AM

Montino, when I initially used the word "thread", what I said was this:-

" the thread runs through everything in creation"

the idea is that everything in creation is connected.

I was not talking just about keris or other tosan aji.

the wanda or personality of a keris is something that is felt, but that personality is not a part of the classification system that we call tangguh. Tangguh is no more than a rational system of evaluation that we use to classify a keris. That system relies upon appraising certain characteristics of a keris, in accordance with established parameters.

It is an opinion of the applicable classification or group that a keris will fit into. There is an element of feeling in this appraisal, but it is not a spiritual element, it is a physical element, for example, how heavy does it feel? what is the texture of the material? This sort of thing, it is not anything to do with our feelings about whether it makes us feel negative or positive or as if a demon has been set free.

Art is not a part of the equation.

2nd December 2023, 09:07 PM	#1
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 295	In any aspect of art, there is both “knowing“ and “feeling “. and dealing with such things as “Tosan Aji” is clearly a blend of both. Thank you for your reply.

2nd December 2023, 10:42 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,051	Montino, if i might resort to a somewhat over used pop cliché, Use the Force Luke!

3rd December 2023, 12:23 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,748	Montino, when I initially used the word "thread", what I said was this:- " the thread runs through everything in creation" the idea is that everything in creation is connected. I was not talking just about keris or other tosan aji. the wanda or personality of a keris is something that is felt, but that personality is not a part of the classification system that we call tangguh. Tangguh is no more than a rational system of evaluation that we use to classify a keris. That system relies upon appraising certain characteristics of a keris, in accordance with established parameters. It is an opinion of the applicable classification or group that a keris will fit into. There is an element of feeling in this appraisal, but it is not a spiritual element, it is a physical element, for example, how heavy does it feel? what is the texture of the material? This sort of thing, it is not anything to do with our feelings about whether it makes us feel negative or positive or as if a demon has been set free. Art is not a part of the equation.