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Old 15th October 2019, 04:30 PM   #1
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Question Bandolier for Identification

Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age
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Old 15th October 2019, 05:07 PM   #2
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I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!
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Old 15th October 2019, 06:06 PM   #3
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Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
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Old 15th October 2019, 06:49 PM   #4
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Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
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Nice Caucasians!
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Old 15th October 2019, 06:50 PM   #5
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Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age
For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!
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Old 15th October 2019, 07:46 PM   #6
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I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!
This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.
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Old 15th October 2019, 08:29 PM   #7
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This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.
I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

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Old 15th October 2019, 08:36 PM   #8
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I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

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Not Arabian IMHO
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Old 15th October 2019, 09:34 PM   #9
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Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???
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Old 16th October 2019, 02:02 AM   #10
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Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???
Not Omani IMHO. Here is a pic of an Omani bandolier. Note that the stoppers are leather/fibre rather than metal caps. My thinking is the Balkans somewhere.
Hopefully Rick will come in on this one..............
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Old 16th October 2019, 03:22 AM   #11
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This is unquestionably Oriental, most likely Islamic.
Artzi has a somewhat similar one ( see pic) attributed to the Ottomans.
I would put this one farther East: Afghanistan or Central Asia.
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Old 16th October 2019, 12:09 PM   #12
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Afghanistan or Central Asia.
Highly likely. Similar ornamentation was also used there.
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Old 16th October 2019, 01:15 PM   #13
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And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.
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Old 16th October 2019, 01:48 PM   #14
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And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.
Ariel it's time to change your glasses, there is no pierced metal borders, it's the sewing...

And I disagree Afghan bandouliers are not like that, Rick and I posted some on the forum...
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Old 16th October 2019, 10:33 PM   #15
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Look at the very first pic. Pierced metal.
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Old 17th October 2019, 02:53 AM   #16
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I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
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Old 17th October 2019, 06:33 AM   #17
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Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.
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Old 17th October 2019, 09:05 AM   #18
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Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.
here all the Afghan kamar

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghan+cartridge

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO
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Old 17th October 2019, 10:36 AM   #19
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I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
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No doubt .
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Old 17th October 2019, 11:28 AM   #20
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here all the Afghan kamar
As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO
I completely agree. Thanks for these links, Kubur.
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Old 17th October 2019, 04:40 PM   #21
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For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!

THESE APPEAR TO BE …… Omani . The design style confirms this in the silver caps>>> Omanisilver.com illustrate Othmanli links and there other similar structures from the east and bamboo containers seen carried in a bag perhaps attached to a belt or carried separately. The same designs are seen on Omani rings and bangles and a similar type of cap is used on Ladies Kohl containers. Often the metal container is multi sided like the Islamic Minarette … The cap itself is shaped like the Mosque Dome.

HERE ILLUSTRATED THOSE Multi sided containers from http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ANI+MATCHLOCKS

Dome topped kohl containers complete the trio...below
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Old 18th October 2019, 12:38 AM   #22
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That's more likely.
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