the book of moro

Bill · 17th December 2009, 08:45 PM

Vampire, I think there would be quite a following of your posts if you can enlighten us on Moro arms. I suspect there is quite a bit of collected information, especially in Spain & the Netherlands. Trouble is, to have a scholar do the research & report.
In reading about the mountain tribes of Luzon, I found the traditions/customs of a particular clan varied in the same group. So with the Moro's, you not only had the different Sultans & groups, but the clans. While Islam & Sultans may have well decreed uniformity into many matters, I suspect that many of the clans still had their own beliefs on many matters such as rituals of warrior groups & talismans.
I suspect Mr. Cato has faults in his book but I also do not definitive proof of any faults. There is a number of posts by different people, who also do not think Mr. Cato reach perfection. As Rick mentioned, this is the first book & will certainly be the foundation for future works. As a future book lacks financial rewards, it may be a long time in coming. As for the book, I would highly recommend it, as few have more knowledge.
I doubt you would have much trouble selling your copy on the swap site or ebay.

Rick · 17th December 2009, 09:12 PM

Jan ,
We are mostly old hands here .

We all are aware of the shortcomings of Cato's book; we have been for years .
You're telling us something that is already a matter of record on this forum .
You'd know that if you searched about the book here .

I thought you were unnecessarily harsh in your comments about the book .

I took exception to your remarks especially as a new member under moderation .

There you have it .

vampire · 17th December 2009, 09:14 PM

thank you for your words
indeed there is more to the moro people that meets the eye
for some time i have spend time in citys like oro etc
and i see a lot about the early dutch that came there so
long ago.
about the book i did expect a lot more ,so i was very disapointed
when i did get it
oke water under the bridge
here in holland we hear about a book the is on the writers table
also some how we are not all the same happy people
what i like is the difference between the indonesians and the philippino
people in language and style
i do think the moro kris was born in war etc
and in the indonesian isle there was a need of the spirts in there live
how we will see
bill i have to work ,but would like to have a change of minds
greet to all jan smit

Henk · 17th December 2009, 09:30 PM

Jan,

You should be enlighted by the presence of so much knowledge on this forum.
Your reaction is most offending and not necessary at all.

I don't understand why some Dutch forummembers always react so crude

We are adults discussing subjects of our hobby in a friendly and respectful way here. I really don't understand why your reaction is like you were stuck by a bee. Probably you was very disapointed by the purchase of your book. Realize that we all had our moments of disapointment regarding our hobby.
Please don't unload your frustrations on a forummember.

The reaction of Rick on your topic was a friendly suggestion. Realize that most forummembers made their steps long before your 45 years. If you have so much knowledge share it with us. A good teacher is happy to share his knowledge with those who are interested and willing to learn.

Please show that we Dutch are sophisticated and well mannered as well.

vampire · 17th December 2009, 09:49 PM

henk
if you do not like your country men
maybe ,just maybe you must think of living in galifornia
blue waters blue sky
for start if i have a opion about a book
i should be able to say so
and if i express mine self i a reasonable way
i do not want to be atacked in some strange from
and i say if rick can not take it
i leave from this side ,like many of dutch before
so that the others can all be very very nice
i like to go somewhere with mine study of the kris
i hope this makes you feel save
thank allah we are not all the same in this world

between you and me some are hollands and some others dutch
like some are philippino and others are moro,s
hai to you all have a good live hank

17th December 2009, 09:12 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	It's A Matter of Attitude Jan , We are mostly old hands here . We all are aware of the shortcomings of Cato's book; we have been for years . You're telling us something that is already a matter of record on this forum . You'd know that if you searched about the book here . I thought you were unnecessarily harsh in your comments about the book . I took exception to your remarks especially as a new member under moderation . There you have it .

17th December 2009, 09:14 PM	#3
vampire Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: amsterdam holland Posts: 28	hai bill thank you for your words indeed there is more to the moro people that meets the eye for some time i have spend time in citys like oro etc and i see a lot about the early dutch that came there so long ago. about the book i did expect a lot more ,so i was very disapointed when i did get it oke water under the bridge here in holland we hear about a book the is on the writers table also some how we are not all the same happy people what i like is the difference between the indonesians and the philippino people in language and style i do think the moro kris was born in war etc and in the indonesian isle there was a need of the spirts in there live how we will see bill i have to work ,but would like to have a change of minds greet to all jan smit

17th December 2009, 08:45 PM	#1
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Vampire, I think there would be quite a following of your posts if you can enlighten us on Moro arms. I suspect there is quite a bit of collected information, especially in Spain & the Netherlands. Trouble is, to have a scholar do the research & report. In reading about the mountain tribes of Luzon, I found the traditions/customs of a particular clan varied in the same group. So with the Moro's, you not only had the different Sultans & groups, but the clans. While Islam & Sultans may have well decreed uniformity into many matters, I suspect that many of the clans still had their own beliefs on many matters such as rituals of warrior groups & talismans. I suspect Mr. Cato has faults in his book but I also do not definitive proof of any faults. There is a number of posts by different people, who also do not think Mr. Cato reach perfection. As Rick mentioned, this is the first book & will certainly be the foundation for future works. As a future book lacks financial rewards, it may be a long time in coming. As for the book, I would highly recommend it, as few have more knowledge. I doubt you would have much trouble selling your copy on the swap site or ebay.

17th December 2009, 09:30 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Jan, You should be enlighted by the presence of so much knowledge on this forum. Your reaction is most offending and not necessary at all. I don't understand why some Dutch forummembers always react so crude We are adults discussing subjects of our hobby in a friendly and respectful way here. I really don't understand why your reaction is like you were stuck by a bee. Probably you was very disapointed by the purchase of your book. Realize that we all had our moments of disapointment regarding our hobby. Please don't unload your frustrations on a forummember. The reaction of Rick on your topic was a friendly suggestion. Realize that most forummembers made their steps long before your 45 years. If you have so much knowledge share it with us. A good teacher is happy to share his knowledge with those who are interested and willing to learn. Please show that we Dutch are sophisticated and well mannered as well.

17th December 2009, 09:49 PM	#5
vampire Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: amsterdam holland Posts: 28	henk if you do not like your country men maybe ,just maybe you must think of living in galifornia blue waters blue sky for start if i have a opion about a book i should be able to say so and if i express mine self i a reasonable way i do not want to be atacked in some strange from and i say if rick can not take it i leave from this side ,like many of dutch before so that the others can all be very very nice i like to go somewhere with mine study of the kris i hope this makes you feel save thank allah we are not all the same in this world between you and me some are hollands and some others dutch like some are philippino and others are moro,s hai to you all have a good live hank