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Old 28th February 2024, 05:46 PM   #1
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Question Mandau for identification

This is the first mandau in my collection, unfortunately the scabbard is missing.

Total length 710 mm, blade length 545 mm, blade thickness at the handle 9 mm, weight 672 g

Any information or comments regarding age, type, tribe, etc. would be appreciated.

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Old 2nd March 2024, 12:38 AM   #2
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That's a tough one, Yuri!

The blade seems to have good age and needs some TLC; the later attached chain was probably for hanging the piece on a wall?

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Old 2nd March 2024, 03:25 PM   #3
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That's a tough one, Yuri!

The blade seems to have good age and needs some TLC; the later attached chain was probably for hanging the piece on a wall?

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Thanks Kai

Im slowly putting the blade in order; when Im finished, Ill post a photo. I dont know for what purpose the chain was attached, perhaps it was some kind of whim of the previous owner.

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Old 4th March 2024, 04:11 PM   #4
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I cleaned the blade of dirt (without fanaticism), I will not carry out a deeper cleaning. After cleaning, a notch appeared on the butt of the blade.

The plane of the blade, concave on the left side and slightly convex on the right, is made for a right-handed person.

In my opinion, the item is quite old, I cant determine it more precisely, my knowledge is not enough.
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Old 5th March 2024, 08:41 PM   #5
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Hello Yuri,

The blade is coming out nicely! Seems good quality to me.

I don't see much wear and this makes estimating age hard. The Borneo crowd tends to be really conservative with age estimates - let's see who is also willing to chime in.

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Hello Kai

Thanks for the comment.

Yes, the blade is of good quality and very well made. There is not much wear, perhaps it was a family heirloom and was kept at home.

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Old 1st April 2024, 03:54 AM   #7
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IMHO, most likely from East Kalimantan.. Kenyah complex presumably
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IMHO, most likely from East Kalimantan.. Kenyah complex presumably
Thank you very much naturalist for the information.
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Old 7th April 2024, 09:08 PM   #9
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Default Mandau-2

Mandau-2 arrived in a sheath from the seller Mandau-1, unfortunately, the nju knife is missing.

Total length 560 mm, blade length 410 mm, blade thickness at the handle 5 mm, weight 337 g

The new sword is significantly smaller in size and weight than the Mandau-1. Steel on the blade, forging and processing of lower quality.

The handle may have been made by Kenya.

Comments are welcome.

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Old 7th April 2024, 09:21 PM   #10
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I am not expert in this field, however, using Sellato as my reference I believe the hilt can be attributed to Kenyah origin.
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I am not expert in this field, however, using Sellato as my reference I believe the hilt can be attributed to Kenyah origin.
Thank you A. G. Maisey
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There is a place in East Kalimantan, in around Samarinda where many people are working to make "mandau" for tourists.
Many are from Java. They are not really follow the each tribes identity that is reflected in the carving on the hilt and sheath. They just do what look likes Dayak's carving style.

I am no expert but i have been wandering around in Borneo in the last 20 years, been in the remote areas from West to East Kalimantan for ecological-anthropological research and environmental programs. For me the second mandau bit off, it seems the carving on the hilt is different origin from the carving on the sheath.
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I am not expert in this field, however, using Sellato as my reference I believe the hilt can be attributed to Kenyah origin.
For me the second mandau bit off, it seems the carving on the hilt is different origin from the carving on the sheath.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, naturalist, for the information

I also had doubts about the scabbard, especially since it is much larger in size than the sword. After I carefully examined the two mandau, I realized that the seller had inserted the mandau-2 into the sheath of the mandau-1 in order to make more profit.

I sheathed the Mandau-1, the color and hair design matched 100%, here is the result:
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Who has information, tell me what could be in this place? d 15 mm

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what could be in this place?
Usually a coin, Yuri

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Usually a coin, Yuri

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Thank you kai

What kind of coins were usually inserted by local or Dutch ones?

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Hello Yuri,

i checked the Dutch coins from the nineteenth century and the only one that fits 15 mm is a Dubbeltje (10 cents) they where made in silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbeltje

I also checked the coin sizes from the VOC but they where larger and even the coins from Indonesia during the Dutch era see the picture here it is 1/10 of a Guilder.

Maybe this might be a clue.

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Here is the photograph of a dubbeltje from the Dutch in Indonesia. this coin is 15 mm in size
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Here is the photograph of a dubbeltje from the Dutch in Indonesia. this coin is 15 mm in size
Thanks, Martin, for very valuable information.

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These were not always Dutch coins. While i am not sure of the exact origins of this one it is also 15mm. Maybe someone here can identify this coin.
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These were not always Dutch coins. While i am not sure of the exact origins of this one it is also 15mm. Maybe someone here can identify this coin.
Hi David

This is the reverse of the coin -Netherlands India 1/10 guilder

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Excellent Yuri, thank you! I had no idea. Looks like a dead ringer. Dutch it is then.
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