An antique recent kindjal

BBking · 13th January 2023, 08:14 PM

Good evening everybody,
What do you think please of this kindjal ?

A ''bad'' recent blade but the scabbard seems well made and not top recent.
Maybe silver or silvered copper with some colored parts.

A recent copy ? not the usual recent kindjal but made for look antique ?

Or an antique kindjal with a new blade ?
? ( hilt seems broken and welded again )

Last : mid 20th model when real blades disappeared...

ariel · 14th January 2023, 01:32 AM

Can you show the back of the scabbard? Sometimes there may be a telltale mark.

Ren Ren · 14th January 2023, 05:32 AM

According to the style of decor, I can assume that this dagger was made in Dagestan by an Avar master from the village of Gotsatl. Production time - 1980-1990. I agree with ariel, you need to look at the back of the scabbard. If the item was made before 1991, then there will definitely be manufacturer's marks.

BBking · 14th January 2023, 07:42 AM

Thank you for the replies !!
Here some pictures of the back of the scabbard.
Really nothing special / no stamp or other drawing / engraving...

ariel · 14th January 2023, 11:32 AM

Well, the back of the scabbard was not informative, but even without it one can be certain that we are dealing with a recent, mass-produced tourist kindjal. Nothing “old” or even “vintage”.

cyten · 14th January 2023, 01:00 PM

Here in the Caucasus, there are many of these new made kindjals available in flea markets and tourist areas. Some are even purposely aged to look like antiques. But it is also quite possible to find true antique fittings for the blades and scabbards. Some people are making use of these on new blades.

Ren Ren · 14th January 2023, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Well, the back of the scabbard was not informative, but even without it one can be certain that we are dealing with a recent, mass-produced tourist kindjal.

It is very easy to distinguish a "tourist kindjal" - the hardness of the blade cannot be higher than 25 HRC. This rule was valid in the USSR, and is still valid in Russia.

13th January 2023, 08:14 PM	#1
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	An antique recent kindjal Good evening everybody, What do you think please of this kindjal ? A ''bad'' recent blade but the scabbard seems well made and not top recent. Maybe silver or silvered copper with some colored parts. A recent copy ? not the usual recent kindjal but made for look antique ? Or an antique kindjal with a new blade ? ? ( hilt seems broken and welded again ) Last : mid 20th model when real blades disappeared... Attached Images

14th January 2023, 07:42 AM	#4
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Thank you for the replies !! Here some pictures of the back of the scabbard. Really nothing special / no stamp or other drawing / engraving... Attached Images

14th January 2023, 01:32 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Can you show the back of the scabbard? Sometimes there may be a telltale mark.

14th January 2023, 05:32 AM	#3
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 365	According to the style of decor, I can assume that this dagger was made in Dagestan by an Avar master from the village of Gotsatl. Production time - 1980-1990. I agree with ariel, you need to look at the back of the scabbard. If the item was made before 1991, then there will definitely be manufacturer's marks.

14th January 2023, 11:32 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, the back of the scabbard was not informative, but even without it one can be certain that we are dealing with a recent, mass-produced tourist kindjal. Nothing “old” or even “vintage”.

14th January 2023, 01:00 PM	#6
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 86	Here in the Caucasus, there are many of these new made kindjals available in flea markets and tourist areas. Some are even purposely aged to look like antiques. But it is also quite possible to find true antique fittings for the blades and scabbards. Some people are making use of these on new blades.