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Old 12th June 2018, 02:40 PM   #1
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Default another African dagger for discusssion

This has been in my collection for many years but although similar ones are illustrated by Spring as being Sierra Leone or Senegal in origin, his examples are straight bladed . The overall length of mine is 210 mm across the curve .
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Old 12th June 2018, 06:01 PM   #2
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This is a Tuareg or Mandingo dagger from Mali!

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Old 12th June 2018, 06:03 PM   #3
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This is a Tuareg or Mandingo dagger from Mali!

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thank you Detlef
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This is a Tuareg or Mandingo dagger from Mali!

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Detlef, do you have some information that has made you change your attribution from September on these knives?

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthrea...ghlight=senegal

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Detlef, do you have some information that has made you change your attribution from September on these knives?

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthrea...ghlight=senegal



No, sorry, my fault! I've remembered that I know this sort of daggers and have had a look to "panga na visu" and there is a very similar dagger on page 23, piece 13 described as Tuareg/Mandingo from Mali but personally I would go with my previous statement in the link you provided.
Again, sorry for any confusion.

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No, sorry, my fault! I've remembered that I know this sort of daggers and have had a look to "panga na visu" and there is a very similar dagger on page 23, piece 13 described as Tuareg/Mandingo from Mali but personally I would go with my previous statement in the link you provided.
Again, sorry for any confusion.

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No worries, I was just confused as to whether there may have been some new information that pinpoints these at least in terms of geographic area. To sum it up, Zirngibl thought these may be from Mali/Tuareg areas, while in previous forum discussions the conclusion was that these are most likely from Senegal. Unfortunately West African knives and daggers have not been studied well and as a result there are a lot of contradicting attributions, such as in this case.

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To sum it up, Zirngibl thought these may be from Mali/Tuareg areas, while in previous forum discussions the conclusion was that these are most likely from Senegal.


Yes, you're correct, Zirngibl show it with other Tuareg daggers and described a very similar piece as Tuareg. But it seems most likely that this daggers are found in Senegal but we haven't a clear proof for this.

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Unfortunately West African knives and daggers have not been studied well and as a result there are a lot of contradicting attributions, such as in this case.


Yes, agree with you!

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