Definitive Warfare

nechesh · 10th August 2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie W.

Mark,

I'm only responding the way I was provoked from the previous comments that was directed towards me. I've been checking out this forum from time to time for years, much as I check countless other forums. It's fun to read internet forums when I'm bored. Now, you're threatening to ban me for having a regular poster attack me? Am I just gonna have this fool talk to me that way the same way he talked to the other new members in the past as well? should I cower and bow down to him since he's a respected member? Sorry but you got the wrong guy. Don't threaten me; if you don't like me and you're feeling like god, do it. Let it be known tho, this post will be posted on the main forum.
have a good day

Really Willie, what ever gave you the idea that i was a respected member around here. Depends on who you ask i suppose.

Mark is absolutely right about not rising to the bait, however it seems that it might be you who is baiting me and i am having a hard time just letting it stand. I have re-read my remarks to you and cannot find "attack" in them, yet you seem to have come on this forum on the attack and you have certainly attacked me personally by calling me a fool (a very underrated and misunderstood tarot card BTW

). I have merely been encouraging you to get off the attack and share some of your knowledge that you have only up til now alluded to having. We are all here because we are starved for real knowledge about these weapons, not because we are bored and have nothing better to do than stirr up trouble. Again, i look forward to your sharing of the great wealth of knowledge on the Moro, which unfortunately, up til now, you have been keeping to yourself.

Mark · 10th August 2006, 02:19 PM

... in three ...

mross · 10th August 2006, 05:50 PM

Can I steer this back toward the discussion of twisted core swords? I accepted Willie W's statement that twisted cores where reserved for panglimas based on what I know of metallurgical technique. It may or may not be correct but it is an interesting hypothesis. As I understand the Moro’s they where very aware of position. I believe in the world of the keris there where certain attributes of it that where reserved. Is this correct? Is it not unreasonable to assume that aspects of a kris could follow these same guidelines? That having been said; pattern welding is not an easy task. It requires great skill and time to get the welds correct. Much more so then simple laminated welding. In laminated welding you are folding like steel over and welding it to itself. In pattern welding you are welding unlike metal together. So making the twisted core would be a time consuming and material consuming process. That means expensive. The twisted core would not be what a middle or warrior class Moro could afford. So that bumps it up to the higher ups. I have been collecting and reading about Moro swords for a bit. I have seen only a very few twisted core blades, most of them here and one blade on Erik’s site. Has anyone done a study to see what aspects if any of the sword where reserved and for what rank? From Cato one gets the impression that gold was for the Sultan. There is also a bit of conflict here because I understand the Prophet Mohammed was against gold ornamentation for men. So this seems to me an interesting area to look into and one that could expand our love and appreciation for the Moro sword.

Rick · 10th August 2006, 09:59 PM

To help bring this thread back to the twist core discussion I present to you a blade of very complex twist core construction recently polished by Phil Tom .

BSMStar · 10th August 2006, 10:37 PM

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How do you find these? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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I'm better now.

mross · 10th August 2006, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSMStar

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you find these? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm better now.

What he said!!

Rick · 10th August 2006, 11:00 PM

Kakatua
You'd cry even more if you knew what I paid for this 'European Sword' .

Ahh , the good old days of Ebay .

nechesh · 10th August 2006, 10:40 PM

That's a beauty Rick. I hope you are pleased with the polishing job. I don't remember the hilt on this one. Could we see a shot of that as well?

kai · 11th August 2006, 12:41 AM

(no link needed - didn't saw the pic of the hilt on page 2)

10th August 2006, 02:19 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Countdown to thread closure & some soothing bans .... ... in three ...

10th August 2006, 05:50 PM	#3
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	twisted core Can I steer this back toward the discussion of twisted core swords? I accepted Willie W's statement that twisted cores where reserved for panglimas based on what I know of metallurgical technique. It may or may not be correct but it is an interesting hypothesis. As I understand the Moro’s they where very aware of position. I believe in the world of the keris there where certain attributes of it that where reserved. Is this correct? Is it not unreasonable to assume that aspects of a kris could follow these same guidelines? That having been said; pattern welding is not an easy task. It requires great skill and time to get the welds correct. Much more so then simple laminated welding. In laminated welding you are folding like steel over and welding it to itself. In pattern welding you are welding unlike metal together. So making the twisted core would be a time consuming and material consuming process. That means expensive. The twisted core would not be what a middle or warrior class Moro could afford. So that bumps it up to the higher ups. I have been collecting and reading about Moro swords for a bit. I have seen only a very few twisted core blades, most of them here and one blade on Erik’s site. Has anyone done a study to see what aspects if any of the sword where reserved and for what rank? From Cato one gets the impression that gold was for the Sultan. There is also a bit of conflict here because I understand the Prophet Mohammed was against gold ornamentation for men. So this seems to me an interesting area to look into and one that could expand our love and appreciation for the Moro sword.

10th August 2006, 09:59 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	To help bring this thread back to the twist core discussion I present to you a blade of very complex twist core construction recently polished by Phil Tom . Attached Images

10th August 2006, 11:00 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	The Hilt Kakatua You'd cry even more if you knew what I paid for this 'European Sword' . Ahh , the good old days of Ebay . Attached Images

11th August 2006, 12:41 AM	#9
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,223	(no link needed - didn't saw the pic of the hilt on page 2) Last edited by kai; 11th August 2006 at 12:48 AM. Reason: pic of hilt already posted

10th August 2006, 10:37 PM	#5
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you find these? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm better now.

10th August 2006, 10:40 PM	#8
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	That's a beauty Rick. I hope you are pleased with the polishing job. I don't remember the hilt on this one. Could we see a shot of that as well?