Missing "gems"

GIO · 26th April 2022, 05:09 PM

Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also

David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)

David · 26th April 2022, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also

David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)

Yes, sorry, i did mean THIRD from the right. I will correct my post. Thanks!

A. G. Maisey · 26th April 2022, 10:37 PM

David, I've posted a pic 20 odd hilts.

Some have the full bulbous base (bungkul), some do not, these "do not" ones have that base similar to yours.

I don't know why, but my feeling is that it is stylistic variation, possibly dictated by available material, possibly because of a need to match proportion to a wrongko.

Or it could be because of damage to the base, but I don't think so. There are too many of these truncated base hilts floating around.

Yes, a lot of the truncated base ones have a fairly indistinct bungkul & it has been carved, also I have a few smaller ones that are on keris that do not have the bungkul.

I lean to stylistic variation.

26th April 2022, 05:09 PM	#1
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)

26th April 2022, 10:37 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,755	David, I've posted a pic 20 odd hilts. Some have the full bulbous base (bungkul), some do not, these "do not" ones have that base similar to yours. I don't know why, but my feeling is that it is stylistic variation, possibly dictated by available material, possibly because of a need to match proportion to a wrongko. Or it could be because of damage to the base, but I don't think so. There are too many of these truncated base hilts floating around. Yes, a lot of the truncated base ones have a fairly indistinct bungkul & it has been carved, also I have a few smaller ones that are on keris that do not have the bungkul. I lean to stylistic variation.