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10th October 2019, 08:16 PM
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just a tourist greek-ottoman dagger ?
Hello everybody,
I just bought these two daggers, more for the ottoman model with the velvet scabbard, the mounts seems made of bad white metal, and seems a touristic ( greek ) piece but I liked the arabic engravings on the blade and guess the qama like hilt was made of horn, not expensive so I bought it. |
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10th October 2019, 08:26 PM
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I received it and clean it a little,
mounts are very heavy, seems made on coarse cast metal velvet seems recent on the scabbard. In the same time the blade is better than I expected, the ottoman fish-dragon chape is well made and seems silvered brass... Maybe an old greek decoration piece ? Or north african with ottoman influence ? |
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10th October 2019, 08:32 PM
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and finally
under some rust, this mark on the blade. Maybe someone knows where it comes from ? |
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10th October 2019, 08:35 PM
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So a mix
between a qama-beibut dagger, an ottoman greek dagger and north african engravings... Oscillating between a fancy touristic recent stuff and a signed blade... Glad to receive your comments !  Kind regards !! |
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10th October 2019, 09:42 PM
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It's what you said almost exactly
Ottoman Turkish (not Greek) 1900 1920 Constantinopolis for the koummiya 1920-1950  |
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11th October 2019, 12:12 AM
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The dagger on the right is in fact from Morocco and is called a Koummya.
Stu |
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11th October 2019, 06:33 AM
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Hello,
Thank you Kubur and Stu, Really thank you Kubur for fix the origin of this dagger ! Do you think the ''mark'' is a turkish one ? The moroccan Koummya is sadly in really bad conditions  Kind regards |
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12th October 2019, 06:17 AM
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Like this makers mark ,
circular, said to be from balkans... are makers marks with drop shape only from Istanbul or Turkey ? + I saw them almost only on yatagans blade, didn't find ( on the web ) on kilij blade per example |
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12th October 2019, 07:28 AM
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No of course, many yataghans from the Balkans have them. Your stamp looks like but just looks like, your stamp is bigger and less deep than real stamps. Look at your sheat, the mounts are moulded its a nice old touristic object, and very decorative |
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