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15th October 2019, 04:30 PM
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Bandolier for Identification
Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age
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15th October 2019, 05:07 PM
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I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot! |
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15th October 2019, 06:06 PM
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Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
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15th October 2019, 06:49 PM
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Nice Caucasians! |
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15th October 2019, 06:50 PM
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For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question... I'm very jealous!! |
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15th October 2019, 07:46 PM
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This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia. But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia. |
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15th October 2019, 08:29 PM
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I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia. Teodor |
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15th October 2019, 08:36 PM
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Not Arabian IMHO Stu |
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15th October 2019, 09:34 PM
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Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???  |
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16th October 2019, 02:02 AM
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Not Omani IMHO. Here is a pic of an Omani bandolier. Note that the stoppers are leather/fibre rather than metal caps. My thinking is the Balkans somewhere. Hopefully Rick will come in on this one.............. Stu |
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16th October 2019, 03:22 AM
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This is unquestionably Oriental, most likely Islamic.
Artzi has a somewhat similar one ( see pic) attributed to the Ottomans. I would put this one farther East: Afghanistan or Central Asia. |
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16th October 2019, 12:09 PM
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Highly likely. Similar ornamentation was also used there. |
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16th October 2019, 01:15 PM
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And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.
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16th October 2019, 01:48 PM
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Ariel it's time to change your glasses, there is no pierced metal borders, it's the sewing... And I disagree Afghan bandouliers are not like that, Rick and I posted some on the forum... |
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16th October 2019, 10:33 PM
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Look at the very first pic. Pierced metal.
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17th October 2019, 02:53 AM
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I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
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17th October 2019, 06:33 AM
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Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses... We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner. Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers. |
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17th October 2019, 09:05 AM
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here all the Afghan kamar http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...fghan+cartridge http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=afghan+belt As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO |
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17th October 2019, 10:36 AM
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No doubt  . |
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17th October 2019, 11:28 AM
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I completely agree. Thanks for these links, Kubur. |
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17th October 2019, 04:40 PM
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THESE APPEAR TO BE …… Omani . The design style confirms this in the silver caps>>> Omanisilver.com illustrate Othmanli links and there other similar structures from the east and bamboo containers seen carried in a bag perhaps attached to a belt or carried separately. The same designs are seen on Omani rings and bangles and a similar type of cap is used on Ladies Kohl containers. Often the metal container is multi sided like the Islamic Minarette … The cap itself is shaped like the Mosque Dome. HERE ILLUSTRATED THOSE Multi sided containers from http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...MANI+MATCHLOCKS Dome topped kohl containers complete the trio...below Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi : 17th October 2019 at 05:10 PM. |
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18th October 2019, 12:38 AM
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That's more likely.
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