Comments will be appreciated, Berger collection

Marcus · 2nd May 2017, 04:13 PM

Recently I have been focused on collecting weapons that fall into the ethnographic category but today I participated in an auction of European weapons from the Berger collection), so I would greatly appreciate comments, especially related to age and origin of the four pieces I won. To make sure that the photos stay in register with the texts provided by the auction site (and the Google translations) I will post each one in this thread separately.

Item 1
(a plug bayonet, I assume)

Lama incisa con scene di caccia e trofei (ossidazioni), eleganti fornimenti in argento, impugnatura in osso. Ottime condizioni, manca il puntale del fodero._x0000_ L. 56 cm.

Blade engraved with hunting scenes and trophies (oxidation), elegant silver plating, bone handle. Great condition, missing the tip of the sheath._x0000_ L. 56 cm.

Marcus · 2nd May 2017, 04:19 PM

Lama ad un filo e mezzo sgusciata al centro e cesellata con fogliami e figure di cavallo e leoni al tallone, impugnatura formata da dischi in osso di diverso colore, ghiere in metallo bianco incise. Eccellenti condizioni, lievi ossidazioni._x0000_ L. 40,5 cm.

A half-and-a-half threaded blade in the center and chiselled with foliage and horse figures and lion on the heel, handle made of bone disks of different color, engraved engraved metal rings. Excellent condition, slight oxidation._x0000_ L. 40.5 cm.

Marcus · 2nd May 2017, 04:21 PM

Lama a doppio filo scanalata e incisa al tallone con rimessi in ottone, impugnatura anch'essa decorata a placche e girali. Ottime condizioni, lievi difetti._x0000_ L. 34,5 cm.

Double fluted blade, engraved on the heel with brass rims, grip decorated with plaques and balls. Good conditions, slight defects._x0000_ L. 34.5 cm.

Marcus · 2nd May 2017, 04:23 PM

Lama a doppio filo decorata con la scritta "NON TI FIDAR DI ME SE COR NON AI", tallone inciso e cesellato con figure di militari e in cartiglio le sigle "GGV", impugnatura tortile in corno con ghiere in metallo bianco. Eccellenti condizioni, lievi difetti._x0000_ L. 50 cm.

Double threaded blade decorated with the inscription "DO NOT FIDAR ME IF COR NOT AI", engraved and chiselled heel with military figures and cartouche the "GGV" markings, horn torsion grip with white metal ring. Excellent conditions, slight defects._x0000_ L. 50 cm.

fernando · 2nd May 2017, 06:32 PM

Hi Marcus,
My atempt ...

First one a nice plug bayonet, in principle Germanic, due to its typical shell guard. Would be nice to see close up pictures, specially of the guard. Could it be XVIII century ??.
Second one a typical hunting knife from South Italy. I have a similar one. Beg. XIX century.
Fourth one a bandit (?) knife, with a motto probably with a couple misspelings… or in some Italian dialect. It could mean something like “don’t trust me if you have no heart” … but don’t trust my translation either. Also nice to see close ups of the guy in the blade ricasso.

fernando · 2nd May 2017, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Fourth one a bandit (?) knife, with a motto probably with a couple misspelings… or in some Italian dialect. It could mean something like “don’t trust me if you have no heart” … but don’t trust my translation either. Also nice to see close ups of the guy in the blade ricasso.

Somehow it looks like its hilt work resembles that of first example from South Italy ... you know, where the grip meets the blade.

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2nd May 2017, 04:13 PM	#1
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Comments will be appreciated, Berger collection Recently I have been focused on collecting weapons that fall into the ethnographic category but today I participated in an auction of European weapons from the Berger collection), so I would greatly appreciate comments, especially related to age and origin of the four pieces I won. To make sure that the photos stay in register with the texts provided by the auction site (and the Google translations) I will post each one in this thread separately. Item 1 (a plug bayonet, I assume) Lama incisa con scene di caccia e trofei (ossidazioni), eleganti fornimenti in argento, impugnatura in osso. Ottime condizioni, manca il puntale del fodero._x0000_ L. 56 cm. Blade engraved with hunting scenes and trophies (oxidation), elegant silver plating, bone handle. Great condition, missing the tip of the sheath._x0000_ L. 56 cm. Attached Images

2nd May 2017, 04:19 PM	#2
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Item 2 Lama ad un filo e mezzo sgusciata al centro e cesellata con fogliami e figure di cavallo e leoni al tallone, impugnatura formata da dischi in osso di diverso colore, ghiere in metallo bianco incise. Eccellenti condizioni, lievi ossidazioni._x0000_ L. 40,5 cm. A half-and-a-half threaded blade in the center and chiselled with foliage and horse figures and lion on the heel, handle made of bone disks of different color, engraved engraved metal rings. Excellent condition, slight oxidation._x0000_ L. 40.5 cm. Attached Images

2nd May 2017, 04:21 PM	#3
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Item 3 Lama a doppio filo scanalata e incisa al tallone con rimessi in ottone, impugnatura anch'essa decorata a placche e girali. Ottime condizioni, lievi difetti._x0000_ L. 34,5 cm. Double fluted blade, engraved on the heel with brass rims, grip decorated with plaques and balls. Good conditions, slight defects._x0000_ L. 34.5 cm. Attached Images

2nd May 2017, 04:23 PM	#4
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	item 4 Lama a doppio filo decorata con la scritta "NON TI FIDAR DI ME SE COR NON AI", tallone inciso e cesellato con figure di militari e in cartiglio le sigle "GGV", impugnatura tortile in corno con ghiere in metallo bianco. Eccellenti condizioni, lievi difetti._x0000_ L. 50 cm. Double threaded blade decorated with the inscription "DO NOT FIDAR ME IF COR NOT AI", engraved and chiselled heel with military figures and cartouche the "GGV" markings, horn torsion grip with white metal ring. Excellent conditions, slight defects._x0000_ L. 50 cm. Attached Images

2nd May 2017, 06:32 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Hi Marcus, My atempt ... First one a nice plug bayonet, in principle Germanic, due to its typical shell guard. Would be nice to see close up pictures, specially of the guard. Could it be XVIII century ??. Second one a typical hunting knife from South Italy. I have a similar one. Beg. XIX century. Fourth one a bandit (?) knife, with a motto probably with a couple misspelings… or in some Italian dialect. It could mean something like “don’t trust me if you have no heart” … but don’t trust my translation either. Also nice to see close ups of the guy in the blade ricasso.