KIDONGKOL, KIROMPANG, NAGARUNCING

Pangeran Datu · 11th March 2007, 11:35 PM

G'day all,

I'd appreciate ANY info, drawings etc. on the following kerises:

Kidongkol

Kirompang

Nagaruncing

It's pretty obvious that I know next-to-nothing about them, only that they're from Java(?), probably West Java.

Thanks.

ferrylaki · 13th March 2007, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

G'day all,

I'd appreciate ANY info, drawings etc. on the following kerises:

Kidongkol

Kirompang

Nagaruncing

It's pretty obvious that I know next-to-nothing about them, only that they're from Java(?), probably West Java.

Thanks.

this is only a sample picture. some one said this is a nagaruncing keris.
but I think this is a newly made keris with naga.
some good friends from this forum also said so.
once again this is just a sample picture....just like to share an information.
since I'm not the expert .... forgive me if I wrong.

regards,
ferry

Pangeran Datu · 14th March 2007, 09:28 PM

G'day Ferry,

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it.
Someone showed me a picture of what the person said was a Nagaruncing; a couple of days ago. It was very similar to yours, it looked like a new a 11-Luk Nagasasra.
I am a bit confused because someone else assured me that Nagaruncing was tangguh Pajajaran.
As far as I know, the only Nagasasra-type keris tangguh Pajajaran was made by Empu Hanjani and then, it was only a NINE-Luk.

All may be revealed in the ripeness of time.

Thanks again.

Cheers.

David · 14th March 2007, 10:53 PM

I could be wrong on this Pangeran, but as far as i know dapur is not contingent on tangguh. In other words, someone could very well make a brand new example of a dapur that was originally made by and empu from the Parajaran kingdom and it would still be called by that dapur name. It just wouldn't be that tangguh. I hope that clears up your confusion.

Pangeran Datu · 15th March 2007, 12:56 AM

G'day David,

You're quite right of course. Tangguh can mean ACTUALLY from an era or MADE IN THE STYLE of that era.
I was only questioning why an 11-Luk Nagsasra tangguh Pajajaran (new or otherwise) would be called a Nagaruncing, whereas a 9-Luk Nagasasra made by an Empu during the actual era is merely referred to as a 9-Luk Nagasasra.
As I said before, I know next-to-nothing about it.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Cheers.

David · 15th March 2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

You're quite right of course. Tangguh can mean ACTUALLY from an era or MADE IN THE STYLE of that era.

ACTUALLY, i don't believe this is correct. A new blade "MADE IN THE STYLE" of, say, a Mataram or Tuban, does NOT have the tunggah of those periods. It is merely "made in the style of".
Tangguh is also not a system that is meant to be applied to all keris or even all Javanese keris. It is often misused in this sense as it can really only be properly applied to blades of kraton quality.

11th March 2007, 11:35 PM	#1
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	KIDONGKOL, KIROMPANG, NAGARUNCING G'day all, I'd appreciate ANY info, drawings etc. on the following kerises: Kidongkol Kirompang Nagaruncing It's pretty obvious that I know next-to-nothing about them, only that they're from Java(?), probably West Java. Thanks.

14th March 2007, 09:28 PM	#3
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	G'day Ferry, Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it. Someone showed me a picture of what the person said was a Nagaruncing; a couple of days ago. It was very similar to yours, it looked like a new a 11-Luk Nagasasra. I am a bit confused because someone else assured me that Nagaruncing was tangguh Pajajaran. As far as I know, the only Nagasasra-type keris tangguh Pajajaran was made by Empu Hanjani and then, it was only a NINE-Luk. All may be revealed in the ripeness of time. Thanks again. Cheers.

14th March 2007, 10:53 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,031	I could be wrong on this Pangeran, but as far as i know dapur is not contingent on tangguh. In other words, someone could very well make a brand new example of a dapur that was originally made by and empu from the Parajaran kingdom and it would still be called by that dapur name. It just wouldn't be that tangguh. I hope that clears up your confusion.

15th March 2007, 12:56 AM	#5
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	G'day David, You're quite right of course. Tangguh can mean ACTUALLY from an era or MADE IN THE STYLE of that era. I was only questioning why an 11-Luk Nagsasra tangguh Pajajaran (new or otherwise) would be called a Nagaruncing, whereas a 9-Luk Nagasasra made by an Empu during the actual era is merely referred to as a 9-Luk Nagasasra. As I said before, I know next-to-nothing about it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Cheers.