Zulfikar sold on ebay?

Sikh_soldier · 9th January 2008, 08:40 PM

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=002

I read on this forum that these swords are impractical how come a senior fellow member has purchased at such a high price?

Not a good example for us young'uns

..........or is it?

dennee · 9th January 2008, 09:48 PM

I think that most of us would be buying few swords if only for their practicality (there is, however, practicality in a good profit)! As for practicality once upon a time, many historical weapon forms are impractical, or at least not as efficient as they might be, for a variety of reasons. Some of these, as early examples, are quite valuable--at least to Artzi!! But that does not convey significance upon the modern reproductions.

Sikh_soldier · 9th January 2008, 11:13 PM

Thank you Dennee,

That makes a lot of sense, I had been previously put off in the past due to the criticism of such pieces, whilst all along I do love these type of pieces for their Audacious and flamboyant design.

I had just thought that although nice to look at they were not a good investment.

Jim McDougall · 10th January 2008, 01:40 AM

Swords of this form would be considered relatively scarce, and though not 'practical' from the usual combat use perspective, have obvious profound cultural and traditional significance. The weapon is quite well described, contrary to the flights of fancy often seen in auction descriptions, and if Artzi took it at this price I think we can be confident it is worth at least that amount if not more.

Best regards,
Jim

Emanuel · 10th January 2008, 03:16 AM

It may be impractical, but it's a beauty and a wootz beauty at that. I noticed that the market price of wootz blades has gone up in the past year. I'm thinking folks look to the collector's amrket for sound/safe investment.

Regards,
Emanuel

Jim McDougall · 10th January 2008, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

It may be impractical, but it's a beauty and a wootz beauty at that. I noticed that the market price of wootz blades has gone up in the past year. I'm thinking folks look to the collector's amrket for sound/safe investment.

Regards,
Emanuel

The way the stock market and economy has been looking here in the U.S. lately...absolutely!

ALEX · 10th January 2008, 09:23 AM

Many beautiful and prized swords are "impractical" and made for ceremonial, religious, art, etc purposes. This one is very nice and rare form sword, depicted in many cataloques and books. Artzi is definitely knows what he's doing! Congratulations to him.

Sikh_soldier · 10th January 2008, 12:25 PM

Thank you to everyone for your comments, I understand now that other factors such as symbolic, religous etc are also considered when purchasing.

I would like to make clear that I did not mean to offend the buyer,
I recognised and value his experience and expertise, and knew immediately that it must be worth the price or even more.

Its just that I am new to collecting and was trying to understand whether I should try to include such pieces in my collection, I have always liked bespoke pieces like this and indeed purchased a strange one last year although it is no where near the quality of this piece (pics added), I was going to post it on the forum but it was already being discussed everyone was highly critical of it due to its practicality (balance etc) so I saved myself the embarassement

and buried my head in the sand

Regards
Bally

Pukka Bundook · 10th January 2008, 02:16 PM

Very interesting looking piece, Bally......But don't ask me to make a scabbard for it!!!!!

Thank you for showing it!.

Richard..

Jens Nordlunde · 10th January 2008, 03:33 PM

The easy part is to make the scabbard, the hard part would be to get it out of the scabbard

.

Richard Furrer · 10th January 2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

The easy part is to make the scabbard, the hard part would be to get it out of the scabbard

.

Jens,
I disagree...the hard part is making all those little crescent cuts in the edge with a file and getting them even.

Ric

Jens Nordlunde · 10th January 2008, 04:12 PM

Ric

Yes, I should have thought of that

.

Jens

Sikh_soldier · 12th January 2008, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Very interesting looking piece, Bally......But don't ask me to make a scabbard for it!!!!!

Thank you for showing it!.

Richard..

Hmmm, now that you mention it Richard, I may have a few pieces that would love to be worked on by a master scabbard maker!

9th January 2008, 08:40 PM	#1
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	Zulfikar sold on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=002 I read on this forum that these swords are impractical how come a senior fellow member has purchased at such a high price? Not a good example for us young'uns ..........or is it?

10th January 2008, 12:25 PM	#8
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	Thank you to everyone for your comments, I understand now that other factors such as symbolic, religous etc are also considered when purchasing. I would like to make clear that I did not mean to offend the buyer, I recognised and value his experience and expertise, and knew immediately that it must be worth the price or even more. Its just that I am new to collecting and was trying to understand whether I should try to include such pieces in my collection, I have always liked bespoke pieces like this and indeed purchased a strange one last year although it is no where near the quality of this piece (pics added), I was going to post it on the forum but it was already being discussed everyone was highly critical of it due to its practicality (balance etc) so I saved myself the embarassement and buried my head in the sand Regards Bally Attached Images

10th January 2008, 03:33 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	The easy part is to make the scabbard, the hard part would be to get it out of the scabbard.

10th January 2008, 04:12 PM	#12
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	Ric Yes, I should have thought of that. Jens

9th January 2008, 09:48 PM	#2
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	I think that most of us would be buying few swords if only for their practicality (there is, however, practicality in a good profit)! As for practicality once upon a time, many historical weapon forms are impractical, or at least not as efficient as they might be, for a variety of reasons. Some of these, as early examples, are quite valuable--at least to Artzi!! But that does not convey significance upon the modern reproductions.

9th January 2008, 11:13 PM	#3
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	Thank you Dennee, That makes a lot of sense, I had been previously put off in the past due to the criticism of such pieces, whilst all along I do love these type of pieces for their Audacious and flamboyant design. I had just thought that although nice to look at they were not a good investment.

10th January 2008, 01:40 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,739	Swords of this form would be considered relatively scarce, and though not 'practical' from the usual combat use perspective, have obvious profound cultural and traditional significance. The weapon is quite well described, contrary to the flights of fancy often seen in auction descriptions, and if Artzi took it at this price I think we can be confident it is worth at least that amount if not more. Best regards, Jim

10th January 2008, 03:16 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	It may be impractical, but it's a beauty and a wootz beauty at that. I noticed that the market price of wootz blades has gone up in the past year. I'm thinking folks look to the collector's amrket for sound/safe investment. Regards, Emanuel

10th January 2008, 09:23 AM	#7
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	Many beautiful and prized swords are "impractical" and made for ceremonial, religious, art, etc purposes. This one is very nice and rare form sword, depicted in many cataloques and books. Artzi is definitely knows what he's doing! Congratulations to him.

10th January 2008, 02:16 PM	#9
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Very interesting looking piece, Bally......But don't ask me to make a scabbard for it!!!!! Thank you for showing it!. Richard..