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Old 12th November 2005, 03:56 PM   #1
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Old 12th November 2005, 04:11 PM   #2
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Can I have a slice please
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Old 12th November 2005, 04:56 PM   #3
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Nice find Rick, maybe you should start 'hunting'.
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Old 12th November 2005, 05:57 PM   #4
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I'll start digging in my garden right now ! Anyone wanna help ?
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Old 12th November 2005, 06:44 PM   #5
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Oh Jeez Rick, you see what you've started! A meteorite rush!
I just hope we won't have to rehash the old arguments about the frequency, importance or dating of meteorite use as keris pamor.
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Old 12th November 2005, 07:53 PM   #6
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I'm sure one could purchase a nickel/iron meteorite on eBay this very day .

That's the easy part ...
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Old 12th November 2005, 08:23 PM   #7
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On the subject of meteorites, which type of meteorites make the best pamor???
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Old 12th November 2005, 08:25 PM   #8
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I am likewise sure that someone could purchase what is being advertized as a keris with meteoric pamor on eBay this very day.
They certainly stand a much better chance with the raw materials.
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Old 13th November 2005, 02:49 AM   #9
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Default meteorite materials

I have some meteorite materials.
One day when I grow up, I'm hoping to get a keris commissioned with these materials.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

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Old 13th November 2005, 03:53 AM   #10
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It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.
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Old 13th November 2005, 05:23 AM   #11
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Default Its a Stony Iron

This meteorite is a Pallasite... having olivine crystals in a nickel iron matrix. It is also a Stony Iron... an in between state of the Stony and the Iron meteorites. One would have to remove the olivine before the meteorite would be usable to make a keris. It may be possible to do... but would require a lot of effort. Judging by the pictures of this meteorite. it is badly weathered (oxidized). Oxidized iron will not make a keris. There may be a good ole Iron type laying around some where... they are a bit on the rare side to find.

You can always buy one on Ebay... the SIKHOTE-ALIN meteorite from the Russian Maritime Territory (a Coarse Octahedrite IIB) is fairly common since is was a large (estimated at 70 tons) and resent fall (1947). I am not sure how well it will out for keris making.

The Namibia Gibeon Iron meteorite (a Fine Octahedrite IVA) has been manufactured in to iron weapons for hundreds of years, but are a bit more pricey.

As we know, the Prambanan meteorite (an ungrouped iron) historically has been used in keris making.
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Old 13th November 2005, 04:49 PM   #12
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Default Nantan iron/nickel meteorite...

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The Nantan is an iron meteorite with the following information...(unless I'm mistaken). If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.
Research The research on the Nantan meteorites is done mainly by the researchers from the Institute of Geochemistry, Chinese Academy of Sciences. In the late 1970s, some professors from the University of Tokyo and Gakusuin University, Japan, took part in a joint research project. The summary here is based on the Chinese publications.

Shapes and Sizes Nantan meteorites have different shapes: spherical, triangle, flat-iron shaped, elliptical, semi-sheered, tongue-shaped, irregular, and so on. Fresh meteorite surfaces are black, and commonly characterized with angular or round melted pits. The ones deeply weathered are brown and lack of melted surface.The size of Nantan meteorites collected ranges from 10 grams to 2,000 kg. Total weight is estimated to be 9,500 kg.

Mineralogical Composition and Texture More than ten minerals have been found in the Nantan meteorites, dominantly kamacite and taenite. Secondary are plessite, scheribersite, triolite, graphite, spherlite, sideroferrite, dyslytite, cliftonite, and lawrencite. Coarse octohedrite. Kamacite lamina are 1 - 3.1 mm wide. Widmanstattern pattern is obvious in polished pieces.

Chemical Compositions The average Chemical composition in the Nantan meteorites are: Fe 92.35%, Ni 6.96%, belonging to IIICD type of iron meteorite based on the taxonomy of Wasson and others (1980). The following trace elements have been detected: C, Cu, Co, S, P, Cr, Ga, Ge, As, Sb, W, Re, Ir, Au, Ru, Pd, Os, Pr, and Mn. Ag, Cd, and Pb isotopes have been analyzed by Prof. Wang Daode and others (1993).
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Old 13th November 2005, 04:59 PM   #13
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Default meteorite material for keris-making...

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It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.
True. In the near future, I would be experimenting it with a Malaysian "Pandai Besi", to startup with. Would be interesting to find out the outcome.
The type of keris would be a Peninsular keris, for this experiment.

If anyone have recommendation regarding this, I would like to hear it, please.
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Old 13th November 2005, 05:01 PM   #14
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I'm sure one could purchase a nickel/iron meteorite on eBay this very day .
That's the easy part ...
Done that. Next step, to find a maker...
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