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A random thing got me thinking about double-edged and two-handed swords today. Am I correct in thinking that: 1) there are no Filipino double-edged, two-handed swords? 2) only (arguably) the Kampilan and the Panabas qualify as two-handed Filipino sword? 3) only the Moro kris qualifies as a double edged Filipino sword (I'm not thinking about shorter weapons here). Thanks in advance, Leif |
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Seems mostly right to me. I would not classify the Kampilan as two handed. Certainly the Panabas. Where would you put the spear? While not a sword, for sure two handed.
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Cato states in his Arts of Asia article that "the Kampilan was made to be wielded with 2 hands". I think certainly it could be used with a second hand.
Some padsumbalin Panabas' exhibits a dual edge. Some have at least 2/3 of its top edge sharpened. |
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Hello all,
Regarding the debate on two-handed kampilans, this is why I said arguably ;-) The panabas thing is interesting. I need to study them more. As context, in addition to collecting weapons from maritime south east asia, I also study martial arts from the area, mostly Silat and, relevantly, Kali (Eskrima/Arnis, what have you). It occured to me Sunday evening that all the strikes I know utilize the true edge (or occasionally the flat of the blade), with nothing on the false edge. However, on the three Moro kris and one Malay Sundang, all but one of them have nicks on both edges. So I have to wonder. How were they used? Now, I am far from an expert, on most things really, and I know that the majority of publicly taught FMA schools have origins in either the Visayans or Luzon, but I still find this interesting. Thanks, Leif |
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I thought that maybe, because: 1) the moro kris is unique (i.e.the only doubled-edged sword) in the Phillipines, 2) the basic design was based on the smaller indonesian keris and 3) the schools that teach openly don't teach false edge cuts Maybe it was used like all other swords in the Phillipines, and used only with true edge cuts. However, the nicks on false edge disprove that possibility. So more than anything, I really want to know what Moro fighting arts with the kris were like. Thanks, Leif |
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Many larger blades can be used two handed. Classifying them as one or the other is a matter of intent and techniques. What would the katana be classified as?
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Does abeniko terradas not use both edges? (I'm totally ignorant of the wrist position, so maybe it uses the flat?)
Also nicks in a blade can come from anything, including having your weapon struck from above by your opponent, for instance if he's attacking your blade to get inside your guard, or I think some of the parries from DeQuerdas. At least that's my impression from my very limited knowledge of escrima. |
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Hello All,
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All that said, I did rewatch the combat recreation from Crossing The Sulu Sea, and I noticed two things that Sali did: 1) He had a tendency to present the blade oriented such that it was roughly parallel with the ground. This gives the opportunity for the blade to be knocked on either the true edge or the false edge, and in fact, a strike to the false edge would be more likely to take the blade out of play long enough for an opponent to do something unpleasant. 2) at one point, he uses a draw cut across the torso with the false edge. This alone might be enough to justify a sharpened false edge. Anyway, I'm satisfied for now, though I still really want to know more about how the Moros used the Kris historically. Hopefully this was of interest to someone other than me. Apologies if it was not. Have fun, Leif |
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It's always interested me.
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