Spanish Gun Question 18th & early 19th Cen.

SuperCracker · 17th May 2014, 10:18 PM

Hi guys. Long time lurking here, figured it was time to take part as you lot are probably most likely to be able to help me with a gunsmithing related question. Try as I might, I have not been able to lay hands on an original to examine.

I see on a lot of Muzzleloading Spanish Guns (18th & 19th C) where the hole for the ramrod extends all the way through the stock probably to the butt plate. I can't figure out how this would be done as

1. It doesn't look like it could be drilled as a single hole as on many it looks like it would pop out of the wrist.

2. How are they generally arranged so the Trigger and Barrel tang bolt do not interfere?

fernando · 18th May 2014, 01:20 PM

Welcome to the forum, SuperCracker

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Say, aren't you confused ... or am i ?
Why should ramrods penetrate as far as all the way through the stock ?

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Ramrods being approx. as long as the barrel length, do not need to 'dive' so deep as to reach the tang screw.
Perhaps i am missing something in your approach ?

SuperCracker · 18th May 2014, 02:07 PM

I know what you mean and this appears to be fairly exclusive to spanish guns. A style thing I'm sure. For example, the double gun shown in this thread. The ramrod extends all the way to the butt plate.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=aguirre
It could pass between the 2 trigger bars, but how does the Ramrod miss the tang screw?

Or on these guns?

(I've saved thousands of pictures of interesting guns I find on the web. Apologies if these are pictures from someone here..... as they likely are. lol)

fernando · 18th May 2014, 06:03 PM

Of course you are right; silly me. I was too quick to react.
The hunting escopetas with only half stock and no pipes for the ramrod. I once had one of those, but i don't remember if the ramrod was complete and what the solution was.
Well, it gets through somehow; no magic, right?
Does the stock have enough mass so that the rod passes close to the tang screw and continues down to the butt in a slight angle ?

fernando · 18th May 2014, 06:43 PM

Let's see if Fernando K comes in with an explanation

Marcus den toom · 18th May 2014, 08:04 PM

If i where to take a guess, it would be a hole drilled from the butstock where the butplate covers the wood (and also the hole).
Also, the tang could be attached by a normal screw instead of a bolt that is going completly trough the wrist of the stock (and the trigger plate idem dito).

I never owned such a piece so.. hard to tell from fact from my point

17th May 2014, 10:18 PM	#1
SuperCracker Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 3	Spanish Gun Question 18th & early 19th Cen. Hi guys. Long time lurking here, figured it was time to take part as you lot are probably most likely to be able to help me with a gunsmithing related question. Try as I might, I have not been able to lay hands on an original to examine. I see on a lot of Muzzleloading Spanish Guns (18th & 19th C) where the hole for the ramrod extends all the way through the stock probably to the butt plate. I can't figure out how this would be done as 1. It doesn't look like it could be drilled as a single hole as on many it looks like it would pop out of the wrist. 2. How are they generally arranged so the Trigger and Barrel tang bolt do not interfere?

18th May 2014, 01:20 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Welcome to the forum, SuperCracker . Say, aren't you confused ... or am i ? Why should ramrods penetrate as far as all the way through the stock ? . Ramrods being approx. as long as the barrel length, do not need to 'dive' so deep as to reach the tang screw. Perhaps i am missing something in your approach ?

18th May 2014, 02:07 PM	#3
SuperCracker Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 3	I know what you mean and this appears to be fairly exclusive to spanish guns. A style thing I'm sure. For example, the double gun shown in this thread. The ramrod extends all the way to the butt plate. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=aguirre It could pass between the 2 trigger bars, but how does the Ramrod miss the tang screw? Or on these guns? (I've saved thousands of pictures of interesting guns I find on the web. Apologies if these are pictures from someone here..... as they likely are. lol)

18th May 2014, 06:03 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Of course you are right; silly me. I was too quick to react. The hunting escopetas with only half stock and no pipes for the ramrod. I once had one of those, but i don't remember if the ramrod was complete and what the solution was. Well, it gets through somehow; no magic, right? Does the stock have enough mass so that the rod passes close to the tang screw and continues down to the butt in a slight angle ?

18th May 2014, 06:43 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Let's see if Fernando K comes in with an explanation

18th May 2014, 08:04 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	If i where to take a guess, it would be a hole drilled from the butstock where the butplate covers the wood (and also the hole). Also, the tang could be attached by a normal screw instead of a bolt that is going completly trough the wrist of the stock (and the trigger plate idem dito). I never owned such a piece so.. hard to tell from fact from my point