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28th February 2018, 09:33 PM
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Keris to look at
Without further input from me, yet, what do y'all think:
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28th February 2018, 10:05 PM
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nice keris and sarong.... ganjawulung maybe from another blade
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1st March 2018, 02:37 AM
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Marco, these are not the best images to make any assessments by so i've tried to make this image more visible. I am wondering why you think the gonjo might have originated from a different blade. Is it that it appears to have a slightly darker in color? |
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1st March 2018, 07:42 AM
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No David, first of all I suppose the gonjo is ganjawulung but not shure (maybe with cleaning and warangan process the pamor rises up). I suppose that gonjo comes from another blade because near greneng there is (IMO) a little not harmonious piece with the beginning of the right part of the blade |
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1st March 2018, 09:08 PM
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I'm working on cleaning, etc., and getting some macros snapped. The ganja appears to me to be wulung, but I'm not sure if the gap is due to a mismatched replacement ganja or to the blade shrinking more with repeated treatments. Note the two combongs.
I've been trying to find a literature citation for the supposed edict of Sultan Agung calling for replacement of pamor ganja with wulung, that I remember being told about once. Anyone have a reference one way or the other for that? I'm fairly satisfied that the dapur is Sengkelat. Any disagreements with that? Anyone have an opinion on the pamor? |
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2nd March 2018, 12:00 PM
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That's a nice old soldier for sure Treeslicer that has seen a lot of years and a lot of washings. As you point out, the combong attest to this age and wear, but it still shows itself as a well formed blade despite this erosion. I don't think anyone will argue about dhapur sengkalet at this point unless better photos reveal something we are not seeing. I wouldn't even begin to assess pamor until this keris receives a good washing and hopefully warangan. Hard to tell much otherwise.
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2nd March 2018, 07:47 PM
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Yes, i have heard that some believe that during the Mataram period Sultan Agung decreed that only he could own a keris with a pamor gonjo. I cannot suggest any specific literature to back this up, but it is a story that has been mentioned on this forum before, including in this thread which you may find interesting. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6105 |
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2nd March 2018, 09:44 PM
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Thanks very much for the link, David. Great thread.
What I find odd about the Sultan Agung gonjo story is that I have read (on Indonesian keris websites) that Sultan Agung issued a proclamation allowing the common people to own pusaka wesi aji in general for the first time, making the gonjo story inconsistent by comparison. I feel that Alan's attribution of pamor-free gonjos to style and economics seems much more likely. |
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