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Old 19th January 2021, 09:12 PM   #1
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Default Elegant Bichaq with inscription for translation

Hello,

I also got this beautiful Bichaq. Because of the fuller work I think it was made around 1900 in the region of Trabzon, maybe in Surmene.
The handle is made of black horn with mother-of-pearl inlays. The metal mountings are of nickel silver and the scabbard is covered with goat leather.

There is an inscription on the back of the hilt, it would be great if someone can translate it

Total length: 31.5cm
Without scabbard: 31.4cm (really )
Blade: 20.5cm

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Old 21st January 2021, 07:41 PM   #2
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Old 21st January 2021, 07:47 PM   #3
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I don't know why nobody respond to your thread!
I think that you are correct, I also think that it is a Black Sea bichaq, a beautiful example, congrats.

Can't help with the inscription, sorry.

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Old 21st January 2021, 09:33 PM   #4
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Hi Robin, I cannot help with the translation but I believe you are correct with the description. Attached are two in my collection very similar.

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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:17 AM   #5
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Hello Geoff,
quite good pieces and really similar to mine.
I think these daggers are not very common,
thanks for showing.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 01:14 PM   #6
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It's a makers signature which I can't fully read (Surprise! Surprise!).
Amal (work of) Sai??
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Old 23rd January 2021, 10:59 AM   #7
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Thank you for translation. Was Amal the owner or is it a city?
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'Amal' means 'the work of', or more loosely, 'made by'.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 12:39 PM   #9
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Ah, I misunderstood your answer. Thank you.
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Old 25th January 2021, 12:10 PM   #10
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It is

عمل حسين

'amal husayn

'Work of Husayn'
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Old 25th January 2021, 08:37 PM   #11
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Ah, Husayn and not Sai.
Thank you very much, Kwiatek!
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Old 26th January 2021, 01:28 PM   #12
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You are welcome, thanks for sharing your knife with us.

Actually, since it is Turkish you should probably transliterate it as

amel-i hüseyin

“Work of Hüseyin”
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