Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 5th March 2014, 05:14 PM   #1
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default My collection of sangi knives for enjoy!

Here my small collection of sangi knives for your enjoy, the one in the middle is "new"! Of course new in my collection.
Attached Images
     
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th March 2014, 01:20 AM   #2
Robert
EAAF Staff
 
Robert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Centerville, Kansas
Posts: 2,196
Default

That's a great little grouping you have there Detlef and my congratulations to you on its newest addition. This is another style of knife that I have not yet been unable to add to my own collection. Oh well, sooner or later I will find one with a price that will let me be able to fit it in despite my ever shrinking budget.

Best,
Robert
Robert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th March 2014, 06:25 AM   #3
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,023
Default

Nice collection. Here is my meager offering. A couple of others were also posted on this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7506
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th March 2014, 10:58 AM   #4
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
That's a great little grouping you have there Detlef and my congratulations to you on its newest addition. This is another style of knife that I have not yet been unable to add to my own collection. Oh well, sooner or later I will find one with a price that will let me be able to fit it in despite my ever shrinking budget.

Best,
Robert
Thank you Robert. Sadly this knives seems to be rare and pop up seldom on the market but I am sure that you will find one one day for a good price.

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th March 2014, 11:03 AM   #5
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Nice collection. Here is my meager offering. A couple of others were also posted on this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7506

Thank you as well David and you know that I like your one. Maybe others can show also their ones in this thread to show the different variations to give a overview to this nice little fellows.

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th March 2014, 10:55 PM   #6
VANDOO
(deceased)
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: OKLAHOMA, USA
Posts: 3,138
Smile

I AM ADDING A FEW MORE PICTURES OF SANGI KNIVES FOR COMPARISON AND REFRENCE. PICTURE #1 & #2. LIKELY BAGOBO
#3. , #4., & #5. BAGOBO KNIFE.
Attached Images
     

Last edited by VANDOO; 30th March 2014 at 11:12 PM.
VANDOO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st March 2014, 04:42 AM   #7
Rich
Member
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: comfortably at home, USA
Posts: 432
Default

OK guys, how about a little education for us doobs on the board. What region, country,
tribes, culture, etc and time frame are these from?

Rich S
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st March 2014, 10:21 AM   #8
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
OK guys, how about a little education for us doobs on the board. What region, country,
tribes, culture, etc and time frame are these from?

Rich S
Hello Rich,

Bagobo tribe and maybe others around, Mindanao, Philippines. I think that my ones shown in up are from the first quarter of the 20th century.

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st April 2014, 01:28 AM   #9
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,139
Default

Ok Rich, this is tough, but I'll give it a shot:

Sajen is right - they are all from the Bagobo tribe on Mindanao Island, Philippines.

Age - 1st, 2nd, and last are from early 20th century (like Sajen said), the 3rd and 4th are probably from the late 20th century.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st April 2014, 03:29 AM   #10
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,023
Default

Is the knife in the first two images posted by Barry in post #6 a sangi? Looks like a completely different knife to me in blade form, hilt and dress style as well as size.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st April 2014, 11:21 PM   #11
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Is the knife in the first two images posted by Barry in post #6 a sangi? Looks like a completely different knife to me in blade form, hilt and dress style as well as size.
Have to agree, seems to be a complete different knife IMHO.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st April 2014, 11:32 PM   #12
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Battara
Age - 1st, 2nd, and last are from early 20th century (like Sajen said), the 3rd and 4th are probably from the late 20th century.
I think and believe that the brass one from my collection is old like the both other ones, the wooden core inside the scabbard and some other hints let me think like this. But by metal it's difficult to give a reliable expertise opinion and of course I can be wrong.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd April 2014, 12:52 PM   #13
Nonoy Tan
Member
 
Nonoy Tan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 293
Default

Here is a specimen
Attached Images
 
Nonoy Tan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd April 2014, 09:23 PM   #14
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Hello Nonoy,

very nice example!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2014, 12:05 AM   #15
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,139
Default

Maraming Salamat Nonoy Tan! This scabbard looks older to me - no later than say the 1930s. Is the knife itself original to the scabbard?

Beautiful piece in any case. (I LOVE tiger bells )
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2014, 12:36 PM   #16
Nonoy Tan
Member
 
Nonoy Tan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 293
Default

Thanks Detlef and Jose.

The knife and the scabbard have a museum number on them, and likely came together when they were accessioned some time in the past.

The elaborateness of the scabbard matches the quality of the blade which is thicker than all others I have encountered.

Here are a couple more images.
Attached Images
  
Nonoy Tan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2014, 05:39 PM   #17
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan
The elaborateness of the scabbard matches the quality of the blade which is thicker than all others I have encountered.
Nonoy, may I ask you how thick the blade is?

Thank you,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2014, 09:19 PM   #18
Nonoy Tan
Member
 
Nonoy Tan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 293
Default

Hi Detlef,

Unfortunately, I am unable to give a precise figure because I am currently not home for the next couple of months. But I would estimate around 3.0 mm near the handle.

Nonoy
Nonoy Tan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2014, 12:14 AM   #19
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,139
Default

Nonoy Tan, your piece is so helpful! I now see that some of these bronze hilts are older. I thought they were all newer. Apparently I was mistaken.

When you get back, would you also please post close ups of the hilt and blade too?

I noticed the sculpturing at the base of the blade.......

Last edited by Battara; 4th April 2014 at 12:24 AM.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2014, 12:44 AM   #20
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,139
Default

I don't have a sangi. what I can offer is this picture of a sangi on the back end of a Bagobo man. It is taken from National Geographic 1944 (vol.86, p567):
Attached Images
 
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2014, 08:45 PM   #21
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

I have taken some pictures from the small booklet "Treasures Of The Davao Museum" where several sangi knives are pictured, as well some with metal handles and scabbards.
Attached Images
       
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th November 2018, 03:01 PM   #22
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,467
Default

Have sold sometime ago the one with metal scabbard but have won recently an other one by a german auction house so the both remaining ones don't will feel alone!
Here some pictures and the new family portrait.
Attached Images
     
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th April 2022, 06:40 AM   #23
JeffS
Member
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 308
Default

Every once in awhile you find something good on Ebay... The blade is more substantial and a broader profile than the more recent examples I have. The mono steel blade has a nice "hamon" line. The spine work is a clean and a somewhat unusual feature on these as far as I can tell. Great piece of banati for the handle and the carving mirrors the spine filework.
Attached Images
   
JeffS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.