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Old 19th March 2020, 01:32 PM   #1
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Default Origin of HANCER daggers

Here we have one that belonged to Osman Bey and was made in Damascus, Syria.

Now let us try to find more of the same kind with incriptions containing the place of origin, in the hope we can accurately locate more of them and eventually establish a pattern.
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Old 19th March 2020, 01:34 PM   #2
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Here we have a second one attributed to Turkey and dated 1187 corresponding to 1773 AD.

Maybe Kwiatek will be kind enough to translate the text for us so we cand know where exactly does it come from...
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Old 19th March 2020, 03:21 PM   #3
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Interesting that the second one is described as "... generally attributed to Albania or Montenegro". And then mentions its issuance to the " Balkan mercenaries"; those were by and large Albanians.
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Interesting that the second one is described as "... generally attributed to Albania or Montenegro". And then mentions its issuance to the " Balkan mercenaries"; those were by and large Albanians.


Isn't this exactly what Kubur said?!

And further continues saying they were in fact typical Turkish and of probable Kurdish origin... which is consistent with what Elgood said.

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More of these, they are called by collectors and dealers "Albanian jambiya".
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Old 21st March 2020, 09:59 PM   #6
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As you can see some of them have hilts more Kurdish in style...
To support Marius point and the link with Persian blades, I think the Kurds are the link: from today Turkey to Syria up to Iran...
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Here we have a second one attributed to Turkey and dated 1187 corresponding to 1773 AD.

Maybe Kwiatek will be kind enough to translate the text for us so we cand know where exactly does it come from...


Again, it is possible to make suggestions for individual words, but I do not think the inscription as a whole reads or that the person who made it knew what they were inscribing/copying. The date of 1187, however, is legible
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