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Old 21st February 2020, 05:19 AM   #1
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What style is this Balinese keris? The blade looks crude for an ornate hilt or is the hilt actually not great quality? The stones look to be more than colored glass. Is there anything noteworthy about the sheath? Once again, thank you for any insight!
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Old 21st February 2020, 05:57 AM   #2
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Hello Apolaki,

You pretty much guessed it: A recent production of limited quality.

The hilt is of lesser quality - there are far worse examples though, especially those pseudo-Bali nightmares produced on Java...

The decor on the uwer is certainly glass; the large ones on the base of the hilt will be locally produced paste (basically glass) commonly utilized on genuine Bali hilts. The dark red cabochons on the hilt will in all likelihood be glass, too.

Blade is poor as is the recent scabbard.

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Old 21st February 2020, 06:47 AM   #3
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i like this Balinese hilt
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Old 21st February 2020, 01:32 PM   #4
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The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO.
The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style.
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Hi Jean, how old do you think the blade is and is there a name for the shape and style?

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The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO.
The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style.
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Old 21st February 2020, 10:01 PM   #6
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Hi Jean, how old do you think the blade is and is there a name for the shape and style?

BTW, I'm far from convinced that this blade ever had any gonjo.

Anyway, the only available moniker would be "out-of-pakem"...

With low quality blades, it does not make sense to try to fathom dhapur or traditional naming conventions since there probably never were any, sorry.

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Old 21st February 2020, 04:14 PM   #7
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Hi, Is this a Javanese "nightmare" version?

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Hello Apolaki,

You pretty much guessed it: A recent production of limited quality.

The hilt is of lesser quality - there are far worse examples though, especially those pseudo-Bali nightmares produced on Java...

The decor on the uwer is certainly glass; the large ones on the base of the hilt will be locally produced paste (basically glass) commonly utilized on genuine Bali hilts. The dark red cabochons on the hilt will in all likelihood be glass, too.

Blade is poor as is the recent scabbard.

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Old 21st February 2020, 05:33 PM   #8
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Looks more like low quality Bali to me (from the single pic).

The Java version tends to be worse - or really much worse...

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Old 21st February 2020, 06:09 PM   #9
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Oh I see. Do you have an example photo of Javanese version of these Balinese hilts?

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Looks more like low quality Bali to me (from the single pic).

The Java version tends to be worse - or really much worse...

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no because these Javanese (...not Javanese but, IMO, wooden Madura hilts with Bali patterns) do not deserve to be bought or photographed
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