Turkish/Kurdish... or else?

Lew · 16th May 2007, 03:19 PM

Very nice jambiya and I agree the hilt looks Kurdish to me. Here is a similar style with a wootz blade and a more recently done scabbard.

Lew

Yannis · 17th May 2007, 07:14 AM

Kirkuk, its oil and its politics will be subject in news for years to come. For demographics check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkuk

As for the crescent and star, if we take it as ottoman symbol we talk for the period after 1910, that is fine with my estimation of jambiya. Turkoman? I cannot say. But also the kurdish origin is possible. Kurds in early XX century had periods of revolt and periods that served the ottoman rulers.

The two knifes are similar in decoration but different in form. The first has more kurdish hilt and the second more iraqi.

Phil · 17th May 2007, 08:44 AM

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The niello is , of course, of Caucasian origin, ie NE Anatolia.

Besides the fact that Anatolia and Caucasus are adjacent but they aren’t the same region, niello is NOT of Caucasian origin:

http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/ar...9373477/niello

http://aic.stanford.edu/jaic/article...21-02-006.html

Marc · 17th May 2007, 11:38 AM

Thank you, Alex. Is not very clear, but a priori it indeed seems wootz. The rest of the work seems relatively modern, though. I don't know.

Phil, maybe I'm sticking my nose where I've not been invited to, but I think ariel meant that it was the neillo work in this particular piece what is of Caucasian origin...

16th May 2007, 03:19 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Very nice jambiya and I agree the hilt looks Kurdish to me. Here is a similar style with a wootz blade and a more recently done scabbard. Lew Attached Images

17th May 2007, 07:14 AM	#2
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Kirkuk, its oil and its politics will be subject in news for years to come. For demographics check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkuk As for the crescent and star, if we take it as ottoman symbol we talk for the period after 1910, that is fine with my estimation of jambiya. Turkoman? I cannot say. But also the kurdish origin is possible. Kurds in early XX century had periods of revolt and periods that served the ottoman rulers. The two knifes are similar in decoration but different in form. The first has more kurdish hilt and the second more iraqi.

17th May 2007, 11:38 AM	#4
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Thank you, Alex. Is not very clear, but a priori it indeed seems wootz. The rest of the work seems relatively modern, though. I don't know. Phil, maybe I'm sticking my nose where I've not been invited to, but I think ariel meant that it was the neillo work in this particular piece what is of Caucasian origin...