keris for comments / sumatra ? / bugis ?

asomotif · 4th October 2008, 10:54 PM

Please give some comments on this keris ?
It was offered as Bugis, but probably more Sumatra or....

Ps. toli toli I made myself because that part has a restauration with woodfiller

semar · 5th October 2008, 08:34 AM

hello de keris is not a bugi but i think javanees

regards semar

David · 5th October 2008, 04:54 PM

I agree that the blade is not Bugis, though it may well be Sumatran. If i am not mistaken many Sumatran keris followed certain Javanese pakem for their blades when under the influence of the Javanese kratons.

kulbuntet · 5th October 2008, 08:52 PM

Is the seluut malay?

PenangsangII · 6th October 2008, 06:39 AM

the blade looks like Javanese / Javanese influence. The selut / pendokok is peninsular IMO.

Battara · 7th October 2008, 12:48 AM

This has a toli-toli loop. Does this mean that this piece is ceremonial?

David · 7th October 2008, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. toli toli I made myself because that part has a restauration with woodfiller

I think you might have missed this in the opening post Jose.

sipakatuo · 7th October 2008, 04:35 AM

IMHO, the blade is Sumbawa/Bima not Sumatra, Lamba Lima (Luk 5). Previous owner might be a Buginese or Macassare. Both Gowa and Sumbawa/Bima kingdoms have family relations. The bottom part of the sarung/sepatu shows authentic Buginese handcraft influenced. It is common to see a blade like this in Sulawesi. It is NOT called TOLI TOLI the correct name is PASSIOSUMANGE means 'Ring of Spirit'. There is a belief that the wearer of the Tappi (Keris) with PASSIOSUMANGE attached will have a greater sense of what is happening in his area/home land. It is also a symbol of high status.

Marcokeris · 8th October 2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sipakatuo

IMHO, the blade is Sumbawa/Bima not Sumatra, Lamba Lima (Luk 5). Previous owner might be a Buginese or Macassare. Both Gowa and Sumbawa/Bima kingdoms have family relations. The bottom part of the sarung/sepatu shows authentic Buginese handcraft influenced. It is common to see a blade like this in Sulawesi. It is NOT called TOLI TOLI the correct name is PASSIOSUMANGE means 'Ring of Spirit'. There is a belief that the wearer of the Tappi (Keris) with PASSIOSUMANGE attached will have a greater sense of what is happening in his area/home land. It is also a symbol of high status.

I agree with your opinon about Sumbawa origin. Thanks for explanation

asomotif · 11th October 2008, 11:23 AM

Thanks all for your expertise !!!

My first sumbawa keris. cool

4th October 2008, 10:54 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	keris for comments / sumatra ? / bugis ? Please give some comments on this keris ? It was offered as Bugis, but probably more Sumatra or.... Ps. toli toli I made myself because that part has a restauration with woodfiller Attached Images

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semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hello de keris is not a bugi but i think javanees regards semar

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,025	I agree that the blade is not Bugis, though it may well be Sumatran. If i am not mistaken many Sumatran keris followed certain Javanese pakem for their blades when under the influence of the Javanese kratons.

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kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Is the seluut malay?

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PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the blade looks like Javanese / Javanese influence. The selut / pendokok is peninsular IMO.

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	This has a toli-toli loop. Does this mean that this piece is ceremonial?

7th October 2008, 04:35 AM	#8
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	IMHO, the blade is Sumbawa/Bima not Sumatra, Lamba Lima (Luk 5). Previous owner might be a Buginese or Macassare. Both Gowa and Sumbawa/Bima kingdoms have family relations. The bottom part of the sarung/sepatu shows authentic Buginese handcraft influenced. It is common to see a blade like this in Sulawesi. It is NOT called TOLI TOLI the correct name is PASSIOSUMANGE means 'Ring of Spirit'. There is a belief that the wearer of the Tappi (Keris) with PASSIOSUMANGE attached will have a greater sense of what is happening in his area/home land. It is also a symbol of high status.

11th October 2008, 11:23 AM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Thanks all for your expertise !!! My first sumbawa keris. cool