square barrel Matchlock Indian musket

ward · 14th August 2007, 09:39 PM

Unusuall square barrel Indian piece nice pattern welded damascus. Does anyone else own a similar piece ?

rand · 15th August 2007, 12:02 AM

Ward,

What a treat to see your square barrel matchlock. Interesting how the pattern on the top difffers from the side, the top looking like opposed circles and the side looking somewhat like a chevron.

Always liked the high contrast that pattern welded barrels have. How about the side plates? Are they watered too?

The stylized lion(?) on the tip of the barrel is very nice too..

Hubba,

rand

ward · 15th August 2007, 12:25 AM

yes side panels are wootz

josh stout · 15th August 2007, 03:57 PM

That is interesting. I have seen both of the patterns on the barrel on Tibetan weapons including a matchlock. I don't know about formal names for the patters, but the chevron design on this barrel is not made in the usual double row of twist core. It is made with rod(s) bent into a continuous herringbone pattern. Here is an example from a Tibetan dagger (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...t=9f614c7d.jpg).

Is this style of pattern welding along with the "jelly role" pattern usual on Indian weapons, or would this be evidence of Tibetan techniques?
Josh

fernando · 15th August 2007, 07:27 PM

Lovely piece, Ward
Thanks for sharing its pictures.
... As i think you wouldn't share the musket itself

.
fernando

ward · 15th August 2007, 11:56 PM

Fernando thanks the piece is not going anywhere but back in the collection. When I get some time I might put a few other pics up. I have some Sardinian,hydrabad,turkish,persian,afghan,moroccan ,vietnamese,cylenese,etc. I try to keep good examples of each form

rand · 28th August 2007, 03:50 AM

Hey Ward,

Was reading a post made by Lee and he attched a file called "Fun with Fumo", check out the 40-50% patterns, thought it was similar pattern to the design on your square barreled matched.

Love that piece!!

rand

Gt Obach · 28th August 2007, 02:48 PM

jelly roll

here is an interesting pic ...Rik Palm making a jelly roll billet ( a very talented smith i might add )

http://homepage.mac.com/rikpalm/.Pub...ly/wjelly1.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rikpalm/.Pub...ly/wjelly4.jpg

G

ward · 31st August 2007, 05:35 PM

Thanks in Magribi right now will look at article when I get back
ward

14th August 2007, 09:39 PM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	square barrel Matchlock Indian musket Unusuall square barrel Indian piece nice pattern welded damascus. Does anyone else own a similar piece ? Attached Images

15th August 2007, 12:02 AM	#2
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Square barrel matchlock Ward, What a treat to see your square barrel matchlock. Interesting how the pattern on the top difffers from the side, the top looking like opposed circles and the side looking somewhat like a chevron. Always liked the high contrast that pattern welded barrels have. How about the side plates? Are they watered too? The stylized lion(?) on the tip of the barrel is very nice too.. Hubba, rand

15th August 2007, 12:25 AM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	yes side panels are wootz

15th August 2007, 03:57 PM	#4
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	That is interesting. I have seen both of the patterns on the barrel on Tibetan weapons including a matchlock. I don't know about formal names for the patters, but the chevron design on this barrel is not made in the usual double row of twist core. It is made with rod(s) bent into a continuous herringbone pattern. Here is an example from a Tibetan dagger (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...t=9f614c7d.jpg). Is this style of pattern welding along with the "jelly role" pattern usual on Indian weapons, or would this be evidence of Tibetan techniques? Josh

15th August 2007, 07:27 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Lovely piece, Ward Thanks for sharing its pictures. ... As i think you wouldn't share the musket itself . fernando

15th August 2007, 11:56 PM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Fernando thanks the piece is not going anywhere but back in the collection. When I get some time I might put a few other pics up. I have some Sardinian,hydrabad,turkish,persian,afghan,moroccan ,vietnamese,cylenese,etc. I try to keep good examples of each form

28th August 2007, 02:48 PM	#8
Gt Obach Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 116	jelly roll here is an interesting pic ...Rik Palm making a jelly roll billet ( a very talented smith i might add ) http://homepage.mac.com/rikpalm/.Pub...ly/wjelly1.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/rikpalm/.Pub...ly/wjelly4.jpg G

31st August 2007, 05:35 PM	#9
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Thanks in Magribi right now will look at article when I get back ward