Need learn more about this sword

shangrila · 18th March 2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RhysMichael

The pictures are not showing up for me

so sorry for pix delay, my friend. Now does it appear?

ariel · 18th March 2007, 07:21 PM

The blade seems to be British, Wilkinson.
The figure on the handguard appears to have some Aztec features ( either my fantasy is running wild or the screen is blurry

).
Mexican? S. American?

Tim Simmons · 18th March 2007, 07:28 PM

The pic is upside down, a bugle, ribbon and a think the crown is that used for Geogre V so ww1 ?

Jim McDougall · 19th March 2007, 01:21 AM

Spot on Ariel!!!

It does indeed appear to be a Wilkinson blade, the faint vestiges of the Star of Solomon surrounding the typical brass proof plug, and particularly the serial number on the blade back support this. Wilkinson was actually the forerunner in the new form blades that replaced the old pipe back blades used on these swords.....actually this is a pattern 1827 officers sword from a British Rifle regiment (hence the Aztec

powder horn and crown device in cartouche.

Since the new blade was introduced by Wilkinson in 1845, and in 1854 the hinged inner guard was replaced by solid guard.....and a serial number on a Wilkinson sword in 1872 was in the 18776 range, this sword would presumably date c.1860's. The rather flat sheet guard seems consistant with iron hilt swords I have seen of this date range as well.

The blade has of course been dramatically shortened, however the sword itself remains quite handsome, especially with the grip so intact. These swords saw considerable presence in so many British campaigns, although they were not particularly favored as a fighting weapon.

An interesting item, and with Wilkinson's, there are still means of tracing issuance via the serial numbers if I am not mistaken, probably website search.

All the best,
Jim

shangrila · 19th March 2007, 05:14 AM

So great you three, the particulars are charming, thanks a lot.

McDougall, very appreciate your ebullient words input and powerful illustration.

Jim McDougall · 19th March 2007, 02:45 PM

Hi Shangrila,
Thank you so much for the kind words!!! Ebullient.....wow!!! Thats an excellent word , I had to look it up!!!!

and that was very nice of you to say .
All the best,
Jim

18th March 2007, 07:21 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The blade seems to be British, Wilkinson. The figure on the handguard appears to have some Aztec features ( either my fantasy is running wild or the screen is blurry ). Mexican? S. American?

18th March 2007, 07:28 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	The pic is upside down, a bugle, ribbon and a think the crown is that used for Geogre V so ww1 ?

19th March 2007, 01:21 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Spot on Ariel!!! It does indeed appear to be a Wilkinson blade, the faint vestiges of the Star of Solomon surrounding the typical brass proof plug, and particularly the serial number on the blade back support this. Wilkinson was actually the forerunner in the new form blades that replaced the old pipe back blades used on these swords.....actually this is a pattern 1827 officers sword from a British Rifle regiment (hence the Aztec powder horn and crown device in cartouche. Since the new blade was introduced by Wilkinson in 1845, and in 1854 the hinged inner guard was replaced by solid guard.....and a serial number on a Wilkinson sword in 1872 was in the 18776 range, this sword would presumably date c.1860's. The rather flat sheet guard seems consistant with iron hilt swords I have seen of this date range as well. The blade has of course been dramatically shortened, however the sword itself remains quite handsome, especially with the grip so intact. These swords saw considerable presence in so many British campaigns, although they were not particularly favored as a fighting weapon. An interesting item, and with Wilkinson's, there are still means of tracing issuance via the serial numbers if I am not mistaken, probably website search. All the best, Jim

19th March 2007, 05:14 AM	#5
shangrila Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 31	So great you three, the particulars are charming, thanks a lot. McDougall, very appreciate your ebullient words input and powerful illustration.

19th March 2007, 02:45 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Hi Shangrila, Thank you so much for the kind words!!! Ebullient.....wow!!! Thats an excellent word , I had to look it up!!!! and that was very nice of you to say . All the best, Jim