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Old 19th February 2012, 03:40 PM   #1
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Hello members,

since never before at this place was shown a Sumara I want to share my one with you because I think that this are very beautiful and unusual swords.
The very nice and fine carved handle is set together from two pieces of horn. At the scabbard which is also from two pieces of wood held together by finely wooven rotan (?) bands you will find as well some nice carvings. The end piece of the sheath is a later replacement and not the original one. The sword in scabbard is 81 cm long and the blade is 47 cm.

Hope to see some other nice examples.

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Old 19th February 2012, 09:07 PM   #2
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Hi Detlef ,

Nice piece with great carvings on the handle !
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Old 20th February 2012, 09:29 AM   #3
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Hi Detlef ,

Nice piece with great carvings on the handle !


Hi Danny,

thank you my friend!


No other sumara in the collections of our members? Michael??
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Wish I had one............but yours is nice. Yes love the hilt carvings.
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Old 20th February 2012, 02:22 PM   #5
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I Sajen! Sumara are quite rare and yours is very nice. Maybe we will see maybe one or two more....
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Old 20th February 2012, 02:35 PM   #6
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Wish I had one............but yours is nice. Yes love the hilt carvings.



Thank you Jose!
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Old 20th February 2012, 02:37 PM   #7
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I Sajen! Sumara are quite rare and yours is very nice. Maybe we will see maybe one or two more....


Hi Flavio,

also to you many thanks! Hope as well to see some more!
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Old 20th February 2012, 02:49 PM   #8
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also to you many thanks! Hope as well to see some more!



Me tooooo!!! I have a Penai, but not a Sumara
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Me tooooo!!! I have a Penai, but not a Sumara



Have changed the title of the thread, so your pictures are very welcome!!
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Have changed the title of the thread, so your pictures are very welcome!!




Here we go

I think that now we will have more pictures
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Old 20th February 2012, 04:45 PM   #11
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Hi Flavio,

thank you! A nice sword you have there, the carvings are very similar. And the blade is in much better condition as my one.

Let's hope to see more examples!
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Old 20th February 2012, 05:33 PM   #12
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Nice swords.
Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

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Old 20th February 2012, 06:13 PM   #13
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Nice Sumara Detlef!

It seems that I have lost the pictures of one of them. So here it is with its cousins on my Toraja wall. And then an older one but without scabbard...

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Old 20th February 2012, 07:21 PM   #14
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Hi Michael,

very very nice your Toraja wall! And so I have been correct when i "call" your name. The old type sumara is just beautiful, I only have seen one before.
How is named the sword with the hair at the handle?

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Old 20th February 2012, 07:27 PM   #15
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Nice swords.
Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

Maurice


Hi Maurice,

nice to "see" you here again!
I never have seen one wrapped in tinfoil so I hope as well to see here one!

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Old 20th February 2012, 07:32 PM   #16
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Very nice examples Michael!

Thank you Detlef. I've added two images from the Leiden museum collection.
I've seen a similar for sale some years ago, but unfortunately I wasn't able to grab it at the time...

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Thank you Detlef. I've added two images from the Leiden museum collection.
I've seen a similar for sale some years ago, but unfortunately I wasn't able to grab it at the time...

Maurice


Thank you for the pictures! I think I have to look more at the site from the Leiden museum. When I look at the both examples I direct get the thought that maybe all was wrapped at one time with tinfoil..

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Detlef,

The one with hair is also a Penai. They changed the top of the hilt depending on what use they had in mind (war, rituals etc.). Unlike for the mandau it seems that it always is human hair on these Penai.

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Detlef,

The one with hair is also a Penai. They changed the top of the hilt depending on what use they had in mind (war, rituals etc.). Unlike for the mandau it seems that it always is human hair on these Penai.

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Thank you Michael, again, a beautiful display with very nice swords!
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Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

Maurice


Here's my new find!
Hopefully there are some remnants of tin foil, which would do also to get me satisfied....

I'm very pleased some of the "almost ever" missing cord is still there..
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Old 16th August 2012, 03:23 PM   #21
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Hi Maurice,

very nice example! Seems to have a nice pamor. please post more pictures when you have received it.

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Old 30th August 2012, 09:12 PM   #22
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Hi Maurice,

very nice example! Seems to have a nice pamor. please post more pictures when you have received it.

Regards,

Detlef


OK Detlef, I got it and was very pleasantly surprised of the quality, which wasn't shown in the images of the seller clearly.

I'm collecting Borneo, but think I will not be able to trade/ part with this one, as it's a pure headhunting sword (though from Celebes).
Look at the complicated knotted hair at the handle of one of the victims!

Also a great surplus is that the blade is covered with tin. As I said before this was done with swords which had taken heads! Unfortunately some rust comes through here and there, but I decided not to clean it, avoiding loosing some of the tin (which I definately not want).


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Look at the complicated knotted hair at the handle of one of the victims!


Hi Maurice,
Just wanted to add that the way of tying the hair is exactly the same as on the 3 celebes spears that I own.
Unfortunately the spears are decorated with monkey or dyed goat hair.

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Old 21st October 2012, 08:26 PM   #24
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Just wanted to add that the way of tying the hair is exactly the same as on the 3 celebes spears that I own.
Unfortunately the spears are decorated with monkey or dyed goat hair.

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Hi Willem,

Can you post some images of the tying of the hair?
Probably they are from the same area than...

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Hmmmm...

I wish I had some daylight available at this hour

Here 2 close ups of hair decoration on the spears.
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Hmmmm...

I wish I had some daylight available at this hour

Here 2 close ups of hair decoration on the spears.


Yes indeed the same way as on the penai! Thanks for the images. I bet they're beauties of spears....

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Yes indeed the same way as on the penai! Thanks for the images. I bet they're beauties of spears....
Kind regards,
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Well.... spears can be sort of boring... but if you line them up they make a nice display

Come on forumites, show us some more sumara's !!!
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Well.... spears can be sort of boring... but if you line them up they make a nice display

Come on forumites, show us some more sumara's !!!


Very nice display Willem.
I still have a Borneo spear for you lying here. I will not able to take it to you by train next month, as it would be a strange sight...

PS. Here an old image of Celebes swords (around 1911).....
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PS. Here an old image of Celebes swords (around 1911).....


5 of them with tassels. That is what you hope to find in a garage sale
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Hello, here is my first Sumara :
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