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Old 28th September 2008, 10:29 AM   #1
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Exclamation Sundang, moro kris or whatelse?

Hi all! Here is a strange beast Blade etched like a keris, ivory pommel (elephant, sea cow ) handle is horn. Scabbard wonderful. From the ganesha mouth seems to me Sulu. Could be a borneo piece? Any suggestion is welcome.

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Old 28th September 2008, 12:08 PM   #2
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In my opinion, but I'm not knowledgeable on Moro kris, this is not a Borneo piece. Scabbard and hilt point to a Phillipine piece.
Don't think the blade is etched as a keris. The result would be different.
Pommel looks more wood to me. I can't discover the ivory.
But a nice appearance.
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Old 28th September 2008, 01:47 PM   #3
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Hello Henk,

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Pommel looks more wood to me. I can't discover the ivory.
That's not wood grain but Schrade lines...

Thus, should be elephant. Flavio you could try measuring the exact angle to determine the genus/species. BTW, I would be interested to see an example of Moro ivory verified as being made from mammoth (which seems to have been widely traded - reaching SE Asia seems not unlikely).

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Old 28th September 2008, 02:14 PM   #4
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Hello Henk,

pommel is definitely ivory and as Kai says, seems more elephant. The point is: the color is due to the age or it was painted to seem older?! What do you think?

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Old 28th September 2008, 02:41 PM   #5
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Elephant ivory I agree. Not Moro etching I also agree. Been glued back together - yes. Been painted - not sure but don't think so.
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Old 28th September 2008, 04:48 PM   #6
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Photo six shows what looks almost like a scarf weld ?
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