Identification of an indonesian dagger

Henk · 22nd June 2006, 07:34 PM

Bought recently this dagger. The triangular blade is forged, probably a pamor blade. At the base a very small mark that looks like a N and an A. The wooden scabbard is covered with silver. Ivory hilt and copper hilt knob.
Any comments are very welcome.

Tim Simmons · 22nd June 2006, 07:44 PM

The decorative pommel cap reminds me of Indian jewelery. I will post an example.

Tim Simmons · 22nd June 2006, 08:05 PM

I know there is a great deal of Indian influence in Indonesia so the metalwork on this bangle might also be typical in Indonesia. An area of artifacts I have not spent time observing. Even so the similarity is quite striking.

VVV · 23rd June 2006, 03:26 AM

It looks like a rehilted bayonet blade?
I have seen a rehilted bayonet in Madurese dress before, like a Keris.

Michael

A. G. Maisey · 23rd June 2006, 05:54 AM

In Central Jawa this blade form is known as a "sangkuh"; in East Jawa it is known as "buntut mimi".

The silver work in the pommel cap is similar to some work currently being done in Kota Gede.

Battara · 23rd June 2006, 05:29 PM

Some of this type of silver work is also still being done in the southern Philippines. I agree with the bayonet observation.

22nd June 2006, 07:34 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Identification of an indonesian dagger Bought recently this dagger. The triangular blade is forged, probably a pamor blade. At the base a very small mark that looks like a N and an A. The wooden scabbard is covered with silver. Ivory hilt and copper hilt knob. Any comments are very welcome. Attached Images

22nd June 2006, 07:44 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	The decorative pommel cap reminds me of Indian jewelery. I will post an example. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 22nd June 2006 at 08:06 PM.

22nd June 2006, 08:05 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	I know there is a great deal of Indian influence in Indonesia so the metalwork on this bangle might also be typical in Indonesia. An area of artifacts I have not spent time observing. Even so the similarity is quite striking. Attached Images

23rd June 2006, 03:26 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	It looks like a rehilted bayonet blade? I have seen a rehilted bayonet in Madurese dress before, like a Keris. Michael

23rd June 2006, 05:54 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,703	In Central Jawa this blade form is known as a "sangkuh"; in East Jawa it is known as "buntut mimi". The silver work in the pommel cap is similar to some work currently being done in Kota Gede.

23rd June 2006, 05:29 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Some of this type of silver work is also still being done in the southern Philippines. I agree with the bayonet observation.