Patrem for Comment and Identification

ganjawulung · 27th December 2007, 03:26 AM

Dear Forumites,

I am lucky to get a new patrem from someone I knew well. But this patrem is quite 'unusual': the "kelengan" (all black) blade is bent a little bit, also the (Sumatera?) warangka. The ivory handle is tightly waxed. It is an iras blade, but with "gigir sapi" (?) in the middle of the blade. So not a "brojol", isn't it? The iron is very solid, cold and smooth.. Is it a Sumatranese patrem?

Ganjawulung

Lew · 27th December 2007, 03:31 AM

Very nice patrem. Like me there are a couple of other formites that really appreciate these little gems

Congrats

Lew

ganjawulung · 27th December 2007, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Very nice patrem. Like me there are a couple of other formites that really appreciate these little gems

Congrats

Lew

Thanks Lew,

I am taking special attention to patrems now, because of this forum. I saw that some forumites here have special attention to patrems. Then I found that patrem models, they are fascinating to me too...

Ganjawulung

Newsteel · 27th December 2007, 05:31 AM

Good buy Pak ganjawulung. Very nice deadly little piece.

This is indeed from southern sumatra, Palembang keris. The sharp bend curve is unusual but not uncommon. Here we can see the fusion between mid Javanese and typical sumatran forging techniques. It is typical for sumatran keris to be quite thick as it is for practical use.

The ivory hilt doesn't seems right (my personal opinion). You can have it change. To me this ivory looks like for badek or sewah..

I hope you can post 'as it is' picture and not edited. I would love to appreaciate more of this cute fellow.

Alam Shah · 27th December 2007, 06:58 AM

Newsteel sums it well.
Lovely Palembang, Sumatra piece... cute but deadly. A few friends have similar pieces... ganja iras too... most appropriate is the palembang topeng hilt form. More of a sepokal or sapukal blade form.

PenangsangII · 27th December 2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Newsteel sums it well.
Lovely Palembang, Sumatra piece... cute but deadly. A few friends have similar pieces... ganja iras too... most appropriate is the palembang topeng hilt form. More of a sepokal or sapukal blade form.

Yes, it looks like sepokal palembang piece.....or is it tilam upih?

Alam Shah · 27th December 2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Yes, it looks like sepokal palembang piece.....or is it tilam upih?

Tilam upih and sepokal blade have similar features... but blades from different regions does have its slight regional difference in style and material, imho.

But then again, sometimes it's difficult to tell them apart without its fittings.

David · 27th December 2007, 02:02 PM

Yep, that is a cutie.

Welcome to the club of patrem lovers Ganja.

lemmythesmith · 27th December 2007, 02:26 PM

Hi Ganja, very nice piece!! Does it have a methuk (like jalak budo) rather than a mendak??

David · 27th December 2007, 03:52 PM

Lemmy, when i lightened the pic in photoshop it looked to be a separate piece so i would imagine it is a mendak, which would be much more appropriate in this case anyway. But i am sure Ganja can tell us more accurately.

ganjawulung · 28th December 2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Newsteel

Good buy Pak ganjawulung. Very nice deadly little piece.

This is indeed from southern sumatra, Palembang keris. The sharp bend curve is unusual but not uncommon. Here we can see the fusion between mid Javanese and typical sumatran forging techniques. It is typical for sumatran keris to be quite thick as it is for practical use.

The ivory hilt doesn't seems right (my personal opinion). You can have it change. To me this ivory looks like for badek or sewah..

I hope you can post 'as it is' picture and not edited. I would love to appreaciate more of this cute fellow.

Yes Newsteel,

The ivory handle more looks like badek handle. I think the first owner had mixed style: Sumatranese, but also Bugis (the blade is like sepukal, as Alamshah and Penangsang just said). And it has no methuk as jalak budo. For Lemmy and Newsteel, these are more pictures on this smaller keris...

Thanks David, for encouraging me to "join" the "patrem community"...

Ganjawulung

BluErf · 28th December 2007, 01:00 PM

This very similar piece was collected in Tanjong Pinang, Riau. What struck me when I first saw the keris was the exaggerated daunan on the sampir, but overall very nicely balanced.

ganjawulung · 28th January 2008, 01:50 AM

Dear BlueErf and All,

I hope this newer collection of mine -- a Sumatran patrem -- dressed correctly. Someone from Sumatra had sent me this piece a couple days ago. Please regard too, the comparison with normal keris in Jogjanese dress...

The Sumatran blade was heavily soaked with warangan, but I have cleaned it a bit with lemon. Are the parts of this keris matched with Palembang style?

Ganjawulung

Alam Shah · 29th January 2008, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear BlueErf and All,

I hope this newer collection of mine -- a Sumatran patrem -- dressed correctly. The Sumatran blade was heavily soaked with warangan, but I have cleaned it a bit with lemon. Are the parts of this keris matched with Palembang style?

Ganjawulung

Hello Pak Jimmy,
The hilt and selut, match Palembang style... but not the sheath, which is Malay. Your first and Bluerf sheath examples are Palembang.

27th December 2007, 03:26 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Patrem for Comment and Identification Dear Forumites, I am lucky to get a new patrem from someone I knew well. But this patrem is quite 'unusual': the "kelengan" (all black) blade is bent a little bit, also the (Sumatera?) warangka. The ivory handle is tightly waxed. It is an iras blade, but with "gigir sapi" (?) in the middle of the blade. So not a "brojol", isn't it? The iron is very solid, cold and smooth.. Is it a Sumatranese patrem? Ganjawulung Attached Images

28th December 2007, 01:00 PM	#12
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	This very similar piece was collected in Tanjong Pinang, Riau. What struck me when I first saw the keris was the exaggerated daunan on the sampir, but overall very nicely balanced. Attached Images

28th January 2008, 01:50 AM	#13
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Palembang? Dear BlueErf and All, I hope this newer collection of mine -- a Sumatran patrem -- dressed correctly. Someone from Sumatra had sent me this piece a couple days ago. Please regard too, the comparison with normal keris in Jogjanese dress... The Sumatran blade was heavily soaked with warangan, but I have cleaned it a bit with lemon. Are the parts of this keris matched with Palembang style? Ganjawulung Attached Images

27th December 2007, 03:31 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Very nice patrem. Like me there are a couple of other formites that really appreciate these little gems Congrats Lew

27th December 2007, 05:31 AM	#4
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Good buy Pak ganjawulung. Very nice deadly little piece. This is indeed from southern sumatra, Palembang keris. The sharp bend curve is unusual but not uncommon. Here we can see the fusion between mid Javanese and typical sumatran forging techniques. It is typical for sumatran keris to be quite thick as it is for practical use. The ivory hilt doesn't seems right (my personal opinion). You can have it change. To me this ivory looks like for badek or sewah.. I hope you can post 'as it is' picture and not edited. I would love to appreaciate more of this cute fellow.

27th December 2007, 06:58 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Newsteel sums it well. Lovely Palembang, Sumatra piece... cute but deadly. A few friends have similar pieces... ganja iras too... most appropriate is the palembang topeng hilt form. More of a sepokal or sapukal blade form.

27th December 2007, 02:02 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,025	Yep, that is a cutie. Welcome to the club of patrem lovers Ganja.

27th December 2007, 02:26 PM	#9
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Ganja, very nice piece!! Does it have a methuk (like jalak budo) rather than a mendak??

27th December 2007, 03:52 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,025	Lemmy, when i lightened the pic in photoshop it looked to be a separate piece so i would imagine it is a mendak, which would be much more appropriate in this case anyway. But i am sure Ganja can tell us more accurately.