Elegant flintlock musket

rickystl · 22nd July 2017, 04:11 PM

Hi Marcus.

That is one beautiful gun !!!! While not in my area/knowledge of collecting, I just had to comment on what a wonderful piece and an interesting Thread trying to identify it. Great reading.

I do notice the lock lacks the arm connecting the pan to the frizzen. This is often associated with a pre-1760 style of lock. It would not surprise me if it is determined that this gun was made before this date. Maybe second quarter of the 18th Century. Wonderful workmanship. Congratulations.

Rick

corrado26 · 22nd July 2017, 05:47 PM

In case that bishop and cardinal Johann Philipp von Lamberg gave the order to make this gun, it must have been made between the years of 1689 and 1712. Pans with arms to the frizzen screw have still not been in use in These early years.
corrado26

Marcus den toom · 2nd August 2017, 08:02 AM

After closer inspection of the monogram i wonder if it doesnt read J S L?
Or J S P L?
I attached better pictures of the monogram, i browsed high and low to find this monogram and the name it symolizes but sofar no succes.

Marcus den toom · 3rd August 2017, 01:52 PM

Maybe even J F L?

Marcus den toom · 15th August 2017, 11:37 AM

Do you have a idea about the monogram Corrado (or anyone else of course)?
There does not seem to be a bishop with this monogram anywhere, while it must have been an important person?

corrado26 · 15th August 2017, 06:10 PM

Hello Marcus

I made for you the drawing in three different colors to state that the monogramm reads clearly JPL, nothing else.
Regards
corrado26

Pukka Bundook · 17th August 2017, 01:44 PM

Marcus,

This is a beautiful sporting gun!
I would very much like to see the lock internals, plus a photo of the buttplate tang and the trigger-guard, plus the sideplate opposite the lock.

The shape of the lock and stocking up of this arm says Corrado has the date right...late 17th -early 18th C.

Again, a fabulous gun!

2nd August 2017, 08:02 AM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	After closer inspection of the monogram i wonder if it doesnt read J S L? Or J S P L? I attached better pictures of the monogram, i browsed high and low to find this monogram and the name it symolizes but sofar no succes. Attached Images

15th August 2017, 06:10 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,181	Hello Marcus I made for you the drawing in three different colors to state that the monogramm reads clearly JPL, nothing else. Regards corrado26 Attached Images

22nd July 2017, 04:11 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Marcus. That is one beautiful gun !!!! While not in my area/knowledge of collecting, I just had to comment on what a wonderful piece and an interesting Thread trying to identify it. Great reading. I do notice the lock lacks the arm connecting the pan to the frizzen. This is often associated with a pre-1760 style of lock. It would not surprise me if it is determined that this gun was made before this date. Maybe second quarter of the 18th Century. Wonderful workmanship. Congratulations. Rick

22nd July 2017, 05:47 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,181	In case that bishop and cardinal Johann Philipp von Lamberg gave the order to make this gun, it must have been made between the years of 1689 and 1712. Pans with arms to the frizzen screw have still not been in use in These early years. corrado26

3rd August 2017, 01:52 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	Maybe even J F L?

15th August 2017, 11:37 AM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	Do you have a idea about the monogram Corrado (or anyone else of course)? There does not seem to be a bishop with this monogram anywhere, while it must have been an important person?

17th August 2017, 01:44 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Marcus, This is a beautiful sporting gun! I would very much like to see the lock internals, plus a photo of the buttplate tang and the trigger-guard, plus the sideplate opposite the lock. The shape of the lock and stocking up of this arm says Corrado has the date right...late 17th -early 18th C. Again, a fabulous gun!