A Neapolitan miquelet pistol

[Oliver Pinchot]

The marks are inlaid silver and brass

[Fernando K]

Hello

Indeed, it is a pistol produced in Naples, in the style and decoration of Ripoll's "ball" pistols. Let us remember that at that time Spain dominated southern Italy. The fleur de lis punches and the Madrid cross and the punch with the horse are intended to imitate the Spanish punches. I do not find any relationship between the sculpted figures, only that it is more elaborate than what Spanish weapons usually have

Affectionately

[Peter Andeweg]

A very interesting piece. I was thinking of Spain with the typical Miquelet lock. The decoration reminds me of the Spanish colonies, such as native inhabitants from the Americas.
Similar figures can be seen on Tobacco jars from this period and before. The rocaille decoration relates to the fashion of the mid to late 18th century.

Great find!

[Oliver Pinchot]

Hi Peter, are you able to upload images of any of those tobacco jars? It would be interesting to compare, thanks.

[corrado26]

As a help to compare here are photos of a genuine Naples made pistol from the Real Fabbrica di Napoli. I think the pistol in question was made either in Spain or in America

[Peter Andeweg]

Here is a tobacco jar made in Delft, 18th century, with decoration inspired from the colonies, note the 'Indian' , original inhabitant of the Americas, and the VOC monogram on the right of the jar.
photo courtesy, Rob Michiels auctions - 2016

[Oliver Pinchot]

Thanks, Fernando K, Udo and Peter.
I have been unable to find other metal work
with such motifs. What could be the connection
between the two, European heraldic and
New World indigenes?

[Philip]

Originally Posted by Peter Andeweg

A very interesting piece. I was thinking of Spain with the typical Miquelet lock. The decoration reminds me of the Spanish colonies, such as native inhabitants from the Americas.
Similar figures can be seen on Tobacco jars from this period and before. The rocaille decoration relates to the fashion of the mid to late 18th century.

Great find!

I agree. The motifs strongly point to possible production in Latin America, if so this would be an historically and ethnographically more significant object than the typical Neapolitan pistol in Ripollesque stye.

[Fernando K]

HELLO EVERYONE
The fact that the appendix of the rake flange has a retaining pin is because the appendix is a cylindrical piece, which cannot be threaded, because the whole assembly cannot be rotated, because it interfered when rotating with the bowl (priming pan) The method of a round appendage is one of those used to fix the flange of the bowl to the platen, and that must be introduced transversally to its surface. Thus, the rake flange is fixed, in addition to the rake screw, by the cylindrical piece that is inserted into the plate and is fixed by the retaining pin.

sorry for the translator

Affectionately
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[Fernando K]

HI OLIVER

I do not find any relationship with the figures A lion appears, an unknown animal in America. The human figure is idealized (is it a man, a woman, an Indian?) They are only decorative figures. Besides, there are few copies produced in America

Affectionately

[Philip]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

HI OLIVER

I do not find any relationship with the figures A lion appears, an unknown animal in America. The human figure is idealized (is it a man, a woman, an Indian?) They are only decorative figures. Besides, there are few copies produced in America

Affectionately

Lions may not be part of the native fauna of the Americas, but would have certainly been known to the human inhabitants of these continents after the arrival of Europeans via trans-Atlantic cultural influences -- such as art, literary references, and Biblical imagery.

[corrado26]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

HI OLIVER

I do not find any relationship with the figures A lion appears, an unknown animal in America.

And what do you think about a cat called "Puma" or "Silverlion" or maybe a Jaguar? Both cats are well known in North-and Latin America.

[Philip]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

HELLO EVERYONE
The fact that the appendix of the rake flange has a retaining pin is because the appendix is a cylindrical piece, which cannot be threaded, because the whole assembly cannot be rotated, because it interfered when rotating with the bowl (priming pan) The method of a round appendage is one of those used to fix the flange of the bowl to the platen, and that must be introduced transversally to its surface. Thus, the rake flange is fixed, in addition to the rake screw, by the cylindrical piece that is inserted into the plate and is fixed by the retaining pin.

sorry for the translator

Affectionately
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I'm trying to decipher the translation of your post, but it seems that the translation software is not quite up to handling the specialized terminology of a subject that has been out of public conscience for a couple of centuries. Could you provide images of the specific parts of the lock that you are referring to, perhaps with arrows and notes indicating precisely what you are trying to explain? Labelling the parts in Spanish would be much more useful than using the inexact Engish translations which can be quite confusing.

[Fernando K]

HELLO EVERYONE

In post number 12, a photograph of the front end of an ottoman lock has been uploaded, with its cylindrical piece that acts as a pivot for the frizzen that would go in the perforation and the perforation for the retaining pin (missing) that crosses the other perforation. However, and for further clarification, I upload another photograph of the ottoman lock, where you can see the perforations for the cylindrical piece that serves as the pivot of the frizzen and for the retaining pin.

Anyone who knows the Spanish miquelete will know that the bridle of priming pan is false and the retention method in its place, among others, is a cylindrical appendage, which enters the plate, and that in the case of the weapon raised by Pichot it has a hole for retention by means of a retaining pin
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