Bag Lady Kampilan

Spunjer · 18th April 2020, 05:25 PM

...while he's at it, he decided to add his coin collection. where the hair would normally go, this is where he displayed his collection. he also used a coin to decorate the corners of the cloth that hold the hair. sadly, one is missing. there are various coins from Asia and Europe. i would like the forum's members help in identifying these coins. thanks in advance. there's also a seven pointed star on the opposite side of the handle. oh, and a Naval button..

Spunjer · 18th April 2020, 05:32 PM

finally, there's this medallion. this is the proverbial monkey wrench in this whole thing. looking at it, it blends with the rest, just another trinket, is all. closer look, it's a Catholic medallion. okay, so the dude converted. or he's not religious and any help from any religion will do. just playing it safe. maybe. that's mystery number 1. what is a catholic medallion doing on a Moro sword? mystery number 2. it's made out of aluminum. with that in mind, it's easy to assume that this was added later, or this whole ensemble is a later piece. if it's a later piece, it's too ordinary looking for a kampy to be jazzed up for tourist consumption. the kampy looks more like a personal sidearm. it's too personalized. possibility number 2 is the medallion is old. i realized aluminum was very expensive around the turn of the 20th century, so it wasn't just something you can acquire just like that. but still, there's that possibility. as far as the medallion, the front says "St Alphonsus Maria of Ligouri, Pray For Us" and it has an image of him. the back says "Our Lady Of Perpetual Help, Pray For Us" with the image of Madonna and Child.
of note on the way the word "St" or "Saint" was stamped on the front: the letter "t" next to the letter "S" was half the size, common practice when they abbreviate words during that era.

ok, i'm done rambling. i just now realized being imprisoned in my house for weeks will do this to me. thanks for looking. i figure this would make a good discussion post while we're pretty much homebound.

Marbel · 18th April 2020, 05:41 PM

Now THAT’s a cool piece. Wow. Thanks for sharing.

I feel like the scabbard is extra special as well.

Bravo to the maker(s) and owner(s).

Ian · 18th April 2020, 05:55 PM

I'll take the easy one to identify

. The large coin with smaller (gold?) coin on top of it, and inscribed INDO-CHINE FRANCAISE 1897. This is a Colonial French bronze coin worth 1 centime (1896-1939). See here.

Spunjer · 18th April 2020, 06:05 PM

haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

Ian · 18th April 2020, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

Roughly what is now Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia.

Ian · 18th April 2020, 06:46 PM

The coin to the left is intriguing and I'm working on it. The one to the left of it is also interesting. There is no clear inscription, but the crowned royal shield with two lions rampant in the upper right and lower left quadrant first appeared on the coins of Carlos III (reigned 1759-1788). This one could be an 18th C. coin.

Battara · 18th April 2020, 08:12 PM

What a great piece!

I have seen this ukkil/okir on Maguindanao weaponry as well.

Like you I wonder if this guy was a convert to Catholic Christianity (some did), or if this was a cumulation of different talismans from different places. Did he trade in places where some of these empires touched the region (Dutch, English, China, etc.)?

I also wonder if it is an early 1900s piece passed down as pusaka and later generations added to it up into WWII?

Battara · 18th April 2020, 08:22 PM

The Catholic medallion has the Madonna and Christ Child on the back and on the front, it says, "Alphonsus Maria de Liguori".

Wikipedia says this:

"St. AlphonAlphonsus Liguori (1696–1787), sometimes called Alphonsus Maria de Liguori or Saint Alphonsus Liguori, was an Italian Catholic bishop, spiritual writer, composer, musician, artist, poet, lawyer, scholastic philosopher, and theologian.

He founded the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, known as the Redemptorists, in November 1732. In 1762 he was appointed Bishop of Sant'Agata dei Goti. A prolific writer, he published nine editions of his Moral Theology in his lifetime, in addition to other devotional and ascetic works and letters. Among his best known works are The Glories of Mary and The Way of the Cross, the latter still used in parishes during Lenten devotions.

He was canonized in 1839 by Pope Gregory XVI and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX in 1871. One of the most widely read Catholic authors, he is the patron saint of confessors."

Ian · 18th April 2020, 06:25 PM

The coin to the right of the French Indo-China coin is Spanish from the period of Ferdinand VII (reigned 1808-1833). The inscription reads: Ferd.VII D.G.Hisp. Et ind.R. It could be an Octavo (18 mm diameter) or Quarto(22 mm diameter). Both were made from copper. [Reference: http://papercoinage.weebly.com/spain...nes-coins.html]

18th April 2020, 05:25 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...while he's at it, he decided to add his coin collection. where the hair would normally go, this is where he displayed his collection. he also used a coin to decorate the corners of the cloth that hold the hair. sadly, one is missing. there are various coins from Asia and Europe. i would like the forum's members help in identifying these coins. thanks in advance. there's also a seven pointed star on the opposite side of the handle. oh, and a Naval button.. Attached Images Last edited by Spunjer; 18th April 2020 at 05:53 PM.

18th April 2020, 05:32 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	finally, there's this medallion. this is the proverbial monkey wrench in this whole thing. looking at it, it blends with the rest, just another trinket, is all. closer look, it's a Catholic medallion. okay, so the dude converted. or he's not religious and any help from any religion will do. just playing it safe. maybe. that's mystery number 1. what is a catholic medallion doing on a Moro sword? mystery number 2. it's made out of aluminum. with that in mind, it's easy to assume that this was added later, or this whole ensemble is a later piece. if it's a later piece, it's too ordinary looking for a kampy to be jazzed up for tourist consumption. the kampy looks more like a personal sidearm. it's too personalized. possibility number 2 is the medallion is old. i realized aluminum was very expensive around the turn of the 20th century, so it wasn't just something you can acquire just like that. but still, there's that possibility. as far as the medallion, the front says "St Alphonsus Maria of Ligouri, Pray For Us" and it has an image of him. the back says "Our Lady Of Perpetual Help, Pray For Us" with the image of Madonna and Child. of note on the way the word "St" or "Saint" was stamped on the front: the letter "t" next to the letter "S" was half the size, common practice when they abbreviate words during that era. ok, i'm done rambling. i just now realized being imprisoned in my house for weeks will do this to me. thanks for looking. i figure this would make a good discussion post while we're pretty much homebound. Attached Images Last edited by Spunjer; 18th April 2020 at 05:59 PM.

18th April 2020, 05:41 PM	#3
Marbel Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 64	Nice! Now THAT’s a cool piece. Wow. Thanks for sharing. I feel like the scabbard is extra special as well. Bravo to the maker(s) and owner(s).

18th April 2020, 05:55 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,041	I'll take the easy one to identify . The large coin with smaller (gold?) coin on top of it, and inscribed INDO-CHINE FRANCAISE 1897. This is a Colonial French bronze coin worth 1 centime (1896-1939). See here. Attached Images

18th April 2020, 06:05 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

18th April 2020, 06:46 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,041	The coin to the left is intriguing and I'm working on it. The one to the left of it is also interesting. There is no clear inscription, but the crowned royal shield with two lions rampant in the upper right and lower left quadrant first appeared on the coins of Carlos III (reigned 1759-1788). This one could be an 18th C. coin.

18th April 2020, 08:12 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	What a great piece! I have seen this ukkil/okir on Maguindanao weaponry as well. Like you I wonder if this guy was a convert to Catholic Christianity (some did), or if this was a cumulation of different talismans from different places. Did he trade in places where some of these empires touched the region (Dutch, English, China, etc.)? I also wonder if it is an early 1900s piece passed down as pusaka and later generations added to it up into WWII?

18th April 2020, 08:22 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	The Catholic medallion has the Madonna and Christ Child on the back and on the front, it says, "Alphonsus Maria de Liguori". Wikipedia says this: "St. AlphonAlphonsus Liguori (1696–1787), sometimes called Alphonsus Maria de Liguori or Saint Alphonsus Liguori, was an Italian Catholic bishop, spiritual writer, composer, musician, artist, poet, lawyer, scholastic philosopher, and theologian. He founded the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, known as the Redemptorists, in November 1732. In 1762 he was appointed Bishop of Sant'Agata dei Goti. A prolific writer, he published nine editions of his Moral Theology in his lifetime, in addition to other devotional and ascetic works and letters. Among his best known works are The Glories of Mary and The Way of the Cross, the latter still used in parishes during Lenten devotions. He was canonized in 1839 by Pope Gregory XVI and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX in 1871. One of the most widely read Catholic authors, he is the patron saint of confessors."

18th April 2020, 06:25 PM	#10
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,041	The coin to the right of the French Indo-China coin is Spanish from the period of Ferdinand VII (reigned 1808-1833). The inscription reads: *Ferd.VII D.G.Hisp. Et ind.R.* It could be an Octavo (18 mm diameter) or Quarto(22 mm diameter). Both were made from copper. [Reference: http://papercoinage.weebly.com/spain...nes-coins.html]