Pls. help ID a Panabas!!!!

panday · 16th February 2007, 12:04 AM

Won this off ebay recently. I'm aware that it is a Moro Panabas, but I'm clueless about it's origin (tribe) and it's proper use. Do Moro warrior's carry this sword in battle dispited of it's heavy weight?

Here's the link:
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q...4ft%20%20long/

Weapon's dimensions
Over all length: 47"
Blade: 22"
Thickness of blade: 9/16"
Width accross: 7"
Handle length: 25"
Handle Circumference: 7"
Weight: 9 1/2 lbs

Thanks kindly,
panday.2006@yahoo.com

FenrisWolf · 16th February 2007, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panday

Won this off ebay recently. I'm aware that it is a Moro Panabas, but I'm clueless about it's origin (tribe) and it's proper use.

Congratulations! I was wondering if whoever outbid me would show up here!

Can't help you with the tribal information, but as to its use, given how much larger and heavier it seems to be over the average example I've seen I'd guess it to be an executioner's weapon as opposed to a battlefield or ceremonial piece.

Spunjer · 16th February 2007, 04:56 AM

i believe this is a pangtuli-tuli panabas. the two distinct panggil by the handle is a dead giveaway...

Ian · 16th February 2007, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

... pangtuli-tuli panabas ... panggil by the handle is a dead giveaway...

Ron:

What is a pangtuli-tuli panabas and what are the panggil?

Ian.

kino · 16th February 2007, 05:33 AM

Ouch! I don't know about that Spunjer. I've seen a few Pangtuli-tuli Panabas in Mandawe.They were a bit smaller than the dimensions Panday stated. I remember a few Pisot's walking towards the guy with the Panabas.

panday · 16th February 2007, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

i believe this is a pangtuli-tuli panabas. the two distinct panggil by the handle is a dead giveaway...

So, I supposed that's pre-American accupation? Hah! makes sense......? Panabas-pangtuli nang mga haoli!

Thanks D're..... hugas kamay muna!

G. McCormack · 16th February 2007, 05:42 AM

I was watching this one too, congratulations, looks like a nice piece!

panday · 16th February 2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

Ouch! I don't know about that Spunjer. I've seen a few Pangtuli-tuli Panabas in Mandawe.They were a bit smaller than the dimensions Panday stated. I remember a few Pisot's walking towards the guy with the Panabas.

Kino, according to Cato the Angel of Death Panabas "Malkalmaut" claimed over a thousand heads, now it puzzles me, I wonder how many Pisot's did mine claimed? Man, that's ritual.....

Bill M · 16th February 2007, 04:45 PM

Don't drop that on your foot!

Nice panabas. "PanaBeast" Biggest one I ever heard of.

Spunjer · 17th February 2007, 12:14 AM

the panggil are those two protruding appendage on the blade closest to the handle, while pangtuli-tuli literally means to uncap, or take one's cap off, in iranun dialect..

ibeam · 17th February 2007, 01:50 AM

There's small iranun sub tribal group called Suppot tribe who were known to be fierce panabas warriors. They chew on medicinal herbs called bayabas before battle to enhance their fighting skills. After each battle, they jump into the ilog (river) as cleansing ritual to wash of the blood from the bagongtuli panabas.

panday · 17th February 2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ibeam

There's small iranun sub tribal group called Suppot tribe who were known to be fierce panabas warriors. They chew on medicinal herbs called bayabas before battle to enhance their fighting skills. After each battle, they jump into the ilog (river) as cleansing ritual to wash of the blood from the bagongtuli panabas.

From what have read, this Suppot tribe were once at war with the Kupal or the Maramdamin tribe. Un necessary war this was!

saint o'killers · 17th February 2007, 08:39 AM

is there supposed to be dry humor in this thread that i'm not aware of...???

pangtuli is a knife used for circumsission. it's a rite of passage to manhood. the bayabas leaves (guava fruit tree) is chewed and spat on the newly cut foreskin and then the boys would run down the river bank and jump into the water to wash off the blood...my dad and my cousins went through this ritual at prepubescent age...i remember my uncles always trying to scare me with such a tool.

i guess it can be used as a weapon.

btw, "supot" is someone with an uncut foreskin...meaning a wrap or a pouch/bag.

zelbone · 17th February 2007, 11:17 AM

I'm here in Mindanao right now and was told by an old guy that to use that kind of panabas correctly one needs a byagra.

Bill M · 17th February 2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saint o'killers

is there supposed to be dry humor in this thread that i'm not aware of...???

pangtuli is a knife used for circumsission. it's a rite of passage to manhood. the bayabas leaves (guava fruit tree) is chewed and spat on the newly cut foreskin and then the boys would run down the river bank and jump into the water to wash off the blood...my dad and my cousins went through this ritual at prepubescent age...i remember my uncles always trying to scare me with such a tool.

i guess it can be used as a weapon.

btw, "supot" is someone with an uncut foreskin...meaning a wrap or a pouch/bag.

SOK,

Are we all talking the same language here? There are some words that have different meanings depending on the culture. "Datu" in Moro has quite a different meaning as "Datu" in Batak, and yet another meaning in Tamil.

VVV · 17th February 2007, 04:21 PM

Seems like Jon needs another revisit at the Freudian clinic?

Michael

Rick · 17th February 2007, 04:41 PM

I'd agree ...

Can't read this thread without a good shovel .

David · 17th February 2007, 06:48 PM

Now let me see...where did i put that Iranun/English dictionary...

panday · 17th February 2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Now let me see...where did i put that Iranun/English dictionary...

that alone is not enough, try the 'uki-ni-na-'mun and the 'u-tin-mo' version, it is more complete.

David · 18th February 2007, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panday

that alone is not enough, try the 'uki-ni-na-'mun and the 'u-tin-mo' version, it is more complete.

Sorry Panday, that was meant as a joke....as much of this thread is also...

Bill M · 18th February 2007, 09:44 AM

A panabas like yours needs a strong master, Dodadagohvi and maybe a Lampirong, or kampilan. Not sure which came first.

Bill M · 20th February 2007, 02:53 AM

Panday, found a picture of the tribe and useage!

Battara · 21st February 2007, 01:22 AM

Those are mighty long panabas (

).

saint o'killers · 23rd February 2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelbone

I'm here in Mindanao right now and was told by an old guy that to use that kind of panabas correctly one needs a byagra.

now THAT'S FUNNY!!!

Spunjer · 23rd April 2007, 03:27 PM

i know a lot of you took this thread with a grain of salt, and i don't blame you; but recently an old "Weapons of Moroland" plaque was sold on eBay with a rather 'peculiar' sword. unfortunately, the example is missing. nevertheless, it's not accurate anyway. please look at the 4th photo down, between the balasiong and lahot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...2829&rd=1&rd=1

tho it's not the panabas version, it shows a variation of another rare moro weapon.

that is all.

Bill M · 23rd April 2007, 03:51 PM

I think Ron is talking about this:

Spunjer · 23rd April 2007, 04:38 PM

yup, that's the one. always wonder how that one looks like as i've only heard about it..

16th February 2007, 12:04 AM	#1
panday Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Pls. help ID a Panabas!!!! Won this off ebay recently. I'm aware that it is a Moro Panabas, but I'm clueless about it's origin (tribe) and it's proper use. Do Moro warrior's carry this sword in battle dispited of it's heavy weight? Here's the link: http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q...4ft%20%20long/ Weapon's dimensions Over all length: 47" Blade: 22" Thickness of blade: 9/16" Width accross: 7" Handle length: 25" Handle Circumference: 7" Weight: 9 1/2 lbs Thanks kindly, panday.2006@yahoo.com Last edited by panday; 16th February 2007 at 03:20 AM. Reason: .

16th February 2007, 04:45 PM	#9
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	PANABEAST!! Don't drop that on your foot! Nice panabas. "PanaBeast" Biggest one I ever heard of.

20th February 2007, 02:53 AM	#22
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Panday, found a picture of the tribe and useage! Attached Images

23rd April 2007, 03:51 PM	#26
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I think Ron is talking about this: Attached Images

16th February 2007, 04:56 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i believe this is a pangtuli-tuli panabas. the two distinct panggil by the handle is a dead giveaway...

16th February 2007, 05:33 AM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 973	Ouch! I don't know about that Spunjer. I've seen a few Pangtuli-tuli Panabas in Mandawe.They were a bit smaller than the dimensions Panday stated. I remember a few Pisot's walking towards the guy with the Panabas.

16th February 2007, 05:42 AM	#7
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	I was watching this one too, congratulations, looks like a nice piece!

17th February 2007, 12:14 AM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	the panggil are those two protruding appendage on the blade closest to the handle, while pangtuli-tuli literally means to uncap, or take one's cap off, in iranun dialect..

17th February 2007, 01:50 AM	#11
ibeam Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 134	There's small iranun sub tribal group called Suppot tribe who were known to be fierce panabas warriors. They chew on medicinal herbs called bayabas before battle to enhance their fighting skills. After each battle, they jump into the ilog (river) as cleansing ritual to wash of the blood from the bagongtuli panabas.

17th February 2007, 08:39 AM	#13
saint o'killers Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17	is there supposed to be dry humor in this thread that i'm not aware of...??? pangtuli is a knife used for circumsission. it's a rite of passage to manhood. the bayabas leaves (guava fruit tree) is chewed and spat on the newly cut foreskin and then the boys would run down the river bank and jump into the water to wash off the blood...my dad and my cousins went through this ritual at prepubescent age...i remember my uncles always trying to scare me with such a tool. i guess it can be used as a weapon. btw, "supot" is someone with an uncut foreskin...meaning a wrap or a pouch/bag.

17th February 2007, 11:17 AM	#14
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	I'm here in Mindanao right now and was told by an old guy that to use that kind of panabas correctly one needs a byagra.

17th February 2007, 04:21 PM	#16
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Seems like Jon needs another revisit at the Freudian clinic? Michael

17th February 2007, 04:41 PM	#17
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	I'd agree ... Can't read this thread without a good shovel .

17th February 2007, 06:48 PM	#18
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,023	Now let me see...where did i put that Iranun/English dictionary...

18th February 2007, 09:44 AM	#21
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	A panabas like yours needs a strong master, Dodadagohvi and maybe a Lampirong, or kampilan. Not sure which came first.

21st February 2007, 01:22 AM	#23
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Those are mighty long panabas ( ).

23rd April 2007, 03:27 PM	#25
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i know a lot of you took this thread with a grain of salt, and i don't blame you; but recently an old "Weapons of Moroland" plaque was sold on eBay with a rather 'peculiar' sword. unfortunately, the example is missing. nevertheless, it's not accurate anyway. please look at the 4th photo down, between the balasiong and lahot. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...2829&rd=1&rd=1 tho it's not the panabas version, it shows a variation of another rare moro weapon. that is all.

23rd April 2007, 04:38 PM	#27
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yup, that's the one. always wonder how that one looks like as i've only heard about it..