22nd May 2010, 08:33 PM | #1 |
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Four interesting Atjeh Peurises!
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In short time I have found some very interesting Atjeh peurises. I think I was very lucky! Maurice |
22nd May 2010, 08:57 PM | #2 | |
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These are all four very rare and desirable!
It is hard even to find one of these - let alone four such great items! Ratan shields with the cotton covers still there are very rare. The old type of copper peurise is in itstelf very rare and with 5 and 6 stars they are close to unique items! Most Aceh shields have 7 stars! Great finds, congrats Maurice! Quote:
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The peurise teumaga's are very heavy! And although one is pretty damaged, I like this one very much because of it's provenance! Without the provenance I would have left it where it was.. :-) In the article "Inheemse Wapens in den Oostindischen Archipel, written by H.J. Voskuil", you find on page 14, Afb. D, images of peurises. There are depicted 4 shields. One with no stars, one with 7 stars, and 2 ratan shields with 5 stars each... |
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23rd May 2010, 01:31 AM | #4 | |
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Antique shields from most cultures are beautiful and rare items. I do like the variety to have obtained greatly. My study of the weapons I bought from Kelling Hall have certainly created a personal interest in Sumatran items and I am enjoying viewing these pieces. As noted, cloth of these shields is very rarely seen these days but looking at the darker shield, it does not look like cloth...what covers it? Thank you for sharing and I look forward to more discussion on these items. Gav |
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23rd May 2010, 01:59 AM | #5 |
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Very nice pieces. I like them plenty, especially the 2 cloth wrapped ones. Congratulations!
Could the darker one be leather? |
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Hello Maurice,
Nice shields. What is the provenance of the damaged shield/ Is it depicted in Voskuil's article ? here is one I was able to buy last year. 36 cms diameter / 1,78 kgs, quite heavy for Atjeh standards |
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Congrats, Maurice, these are beautiful!
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http://www.ethnographicswords.com/in...58&vsig210_0=3 (More pics of the other pieces in Maurice's gallery, too ) Regards, Kai |
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Because of your Kelling Hall collection my interest was growing and growing. And when I got the little shield covered with coton, which is coming out of the depot of the Nijmeegs Volkenkundig museum, I decided to collect more Atjeh pieces... The darker shield is also covered in cloth (from the frontside, the back is all gone and the ratan is only there). It could be that the cloth was lighter in colour once, but got so dark because of dirt and dust?? I read somewhere that the cloth covering these peurises used to be red or black. But I can't recall in which book I read it. Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 23rd May 2010 at 08:23 PM. |
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Absolutely no leather one. From nearby it is easy to see because of the structure that it is cloth. 100% sure about that! By the way this shield is the only one I still have to find out about the provenance. The seller who sold it to me, assured me that it belonged to the same collection as the little one with red cloth. But I am still working on that.. Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 23rd May 2010 at 08:28 PM. |
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It could be the fabric got treated, but there are also some lighter stains visible. It could be that it was much lighter before, but got darken because of dirt/dust? Maybe a member of the forum knows more about the treatings of the cloth? Maurice |
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No it was not depicted in Voskuil's article. I was just referring to the two ratan pieces with also 5 stars on it that are depicted in it. Also a very nice shield you have in your collection Willem. I really like this one, especially with the cusion at the backside. These are the shields how they can be found in the Nijmegen museumdepot. When I first handled one of these, I was surprised about the weight of these unlike the decorated brass ones. I am sure you remember the damaged shield because it was discussed in another thread already which you also participated. It was collected in the early 1900 by a dutch Knil officer called Blüml. A box was found on the attic of Blüml's grandson after his death, with two shields, weapons, documents/photo's and medals. I have some images of these documents/photo's and medals. Here a few images of some pieces (included my peurise), Blüml's, document and medals that where in the box and are from the same collection. Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 23rd May 2010 at 08:32 PM. |
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Normally not my territory, but I checked out the medals of Officer Bluml.
From left to right : 1. Cross for important war actions (expedition cross), instituted 1869 and awarded to the participants in important campaigns. With Atjeh 1901-1905 campaign clasp. 2. Officers Long Service decoration, silver gilt.(15 years) 3. Officer's cross of the Order of Orange-Nassau 4. NBVLO cross for 4 days long distance marches. (Vierdaagse van Nijmegen) |
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I guess the NBVLO cross (vierdaagse van Nijmegen) must be the most important one.... |
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As I have found and others have noted these weapons of any type are under appreciated and under valued. Their form and function is beautiful. Gav |
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The NBVLO may be worn on militairy tenue. That is probably why it is there. And still, 4 days of 50 kms marching with full packing. It takes some training I guess Too bad that the medals where sold separately. the Orange Nassau Cross must have made it an expensive set. |
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I also like these provenanced pieces, because you have got another feeling with the piece as otherwise. As you can see the Bluml shield is pretty damaged, but with the provenance it is very wanted in my collection. Even more as the other one that is depicted in the book of Zonneveld which is in much better condition. But my experiences with some other fellowcollectors are, that they are only going for the high end pieces rather than the damaged provenanced pieces..... So that is the luck I have with grabbing them before others do who only look at its appearence.... Just like your Kelling Hall pieces, with the provenance of this sir Deterding, who was one of the most important people of the last century... My opinion is that provenance is important, and nice to dig out as much as possible. The more you find, the more affection with the provenanced pieces..... Maurice |
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They seemed to be too expensive and not in the line of collectingfield of the collector who bought this collection, to pay that kind of money for those.. |
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After years I think it's good to dig up this thread about Aceh shields again.
This week I found an interesting (Aceh?) shield. It's somewhat different as the Aceh shields we know of, but it has great old patina. For instance it misses the "knob" in the middle. Also is the edge a bit more curving upwards as seen on the usual Aceh shields. The patina is different as the patina we see normaly on the brass shields. It has the same old patina as we also see on the old (not fake) lantaka's, and I never have found that on other brass Aceh shields, not in private collections and nor in museum collections. When putting this shield next to the regular ones, it does look more old as the others, maybe because of the heavy patina which is on it. The handle is made of a piece of braided ratan. Any more input is welcome, just as other suggestions... Thanks, Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 9th January 2014 at 07:56 PM. |
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Beautiful deep patina!
Isn't it strange that there are so little talismanic symbols on the Aceh shields (compared with the blades)? The only symbol I have seen is the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram-variation, aka Shield of David in the Jewish version)? Michael |
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Also I've never read anything about it. Maybe John or Erik can tell us more about this. I guess the blades needed "to do the job", and the shields were just side-issues? Maurice |
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ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC SHIELDS !!!
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Very nice patina. I guess it can turn out this way if it is not cleaned for 100 years. What is the diameter + weight ? Best regards, Willem |
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Totally missed your question here! Uhm.... You know the answer by now. Best regards, Maurice |
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great thread thanks to everyone,really like these,how about a few pictures from members with sumatran shields?
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I only held the shield, did not measure it. but approx 25 cms and 500 grams. Wonderfull old patina. |
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If you check the search function for "peurise" you will find various threads about these shields. Members who want to post pictures here are also welcome ofcourse. Best regards, Willem |
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PS I think it is a very rare version of Aceh shield. Never have seen any of these in a private collection, and it has a higher outer rim as the normal brass shields. Look at the image of the Colonial Institute Amsterdam. You can see similar peurises with higher rim hanging on the wall.. |
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I found some info for later reference : Stamboek details Mathias Bluml
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