Curious Knife. For Tourists or real? TIA!

BrettDoubleU · 18th July 2005, 06:16 AM

Thank you in advance for your help. I am a novice at a dead end. From where does this knife come? I appreciate your input!

Brett

ingelred · 18th July 2005, 07:52 AM

hello,

I am deninitely no expert in this kind of weapon but I would say that this is a kudi or kudijang from Java.
You may take a look here:

http://www.valiantco.com/

and here:

http://old.blades.free.fr/

Klick on the spears picture and You will see an old one.
And no, I don't think that this is a tourist piece.
But please ask the experts.

Best regards, Helge

rahman · 18th July 2005, 08:41 AM

It looks like a kujang, all right -- but in a rencong dress.

interesting mix!

Alam Shah · 18th July 2005, 10:52 AM

Rahman is right.
See here for example of a kujang and a rencong...

(Click on the underlined text to bring to the examples.)

nechesh · 18th July 2005, 11:35 AM

That is strange!

As Rahman points out, looks like a kujang in rencong dress, which means that the sheath and hilt of this piece are from a completely different, though geographically related blade form. Does the blade sit well in the sheath? Does it appear to have been made for this blade?

Alam Shah · 18th July 2005, 12:58 PM

nechesh,

It seems like the blade had been modifed to fit the sheath.
See picture 2, the part near the hilt, seems to be filed.

Kujang comes mostly from Sunda, West Java.
Rencong comes from Sumatra, Aceh, Gayo and Alas.
For this example, from the meucangge 'curved hilt', it is from Aceh, Indonesia.

Henk · 18th July 2005, 06:57 PM

It is a tombak dapur kudi, mounted as a rencong. I own a similar tombak dressed as a sumatran keris, made for the tombak.

BrettDoubleU · 18th July 2005, 07:48 PM

I truly appreciate your kind responses and information. It is all helpful. It raises some questions for me but I will research these.
Thanks again,

Brett

18th July 2005, 06:16 AM	#1
BrettDoubleU Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2	Curious Knife. For Tourists or real? TIA! Thank you in advance for your help. I am a novice at a dead end. From where does this knife come? I appreciate your input! Brett

18th July 2005, 10:52 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Examples... Rahman is right. See here for example of a kujang and a rencong... (Click on the underlined text to bring to the examples.)

18th July 2005, 12:58 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	nechesh, It seems like the blade had been modifed to fit the sheath. See picture 2, the part near the hilt, seems to be filed. Kujang comes mostly from Sunda, West Java. Rencong comes from Sumatra, Aceh, Gayo and Alas. For this example, from the meucangge 'curved hilt', it is from Aceh, Indonesia. Last edited by Alam Shah; 18th July 2005 at 01:28 PM. Reason: added origin

18th July 2005, 07:48 PM	#8
BrettDoubleU Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2	Thank you All I truly appreciate your kind responses and information. It is all helpful. It raises some questions for me but I will research these. Thanks again, Brett

18th July 2005, 07:52 AM	#2
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	hello, I am deninitely no expert in this kind of weapon but I would say that this is a kudi or kudijang from Java. You may take a look here: http://www.valiantco.com/ and here: http://old.blades.free.fr/ Klick on the spears picture and You will see an old one. And no, I don't think that this is a tourist piece. But please ask the experts. Best regards, Helge

18th July 2005, 08:41 AM	#3
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	It looks like a kujang, all right -- but in a rencong dress. interesting mix!

18th July 2005, 11:35 AM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	That is strange! As Rahman points out, looks like a kujang in rencong dress, which means that the sheath and hilt of this piece are from a completely different, though geographically related blade form. Does the blade sit well in the sheath? Does it appear to have been made for this blade?

18th July 2005, 06:57 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It is a tombak dapur kudi, mounted as a rencong. I own a similar tombak dressed as a sumatran keris, made for the tombak.