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I would say this is a Kamardikan blade.
Incidentally, I see lots of blades with Udan Mas pamor being marketd in recent times and , at least in the NL, they are popular among traders because the market responds very favourably to it. I know of at least one trader who targets this pamor in particular. The hilt, very nice by the way, is as others have said, incongruous to the Kris, it is Balinese while the rest isn't. I'd replace it and keep the hilt for another Balinese kris with a lesser hilt than this and replace it with this nice specimen. Well done! |
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There is a possibility this is a reworked older blade. It is not uncommon to take an older blade with Pamor Wos Wutah and change it to a blade with the "wealth bringing" Pamor Udan Man. Such altered blades are very thin.
I am not sure about that, but I think I also see an indicator the blade was reheated at some point. |
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Adam, Pamor Udan Mas basically is a surface manipulation of a Pamor Mlumah (horizontal Pamor layers, opposite to Pamor Miring, where the layers are arranged vertically). Pamor Mlumah with small number of layers will basically result in a Pamor called Ngulit Semangka. Pamor Mlumah with higher number of layers will result in Pamor Wos Wutah. Pamor Udan Mas basically is a further manipulation of Pamor Wos Wutah, by drilling holes in it, and forging the blade flat again. For such operation a substantial, thick blade is needed, like Tangguh Tuban, because blade will loose thickness.
One indicator of a reheated blade could be the gap between the Slorok (core of blade, visible as the edge) and the first Pamor layer. |
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very interesting and very preoccupying this information about the possibility that an older blade may be reforged adding a raindrop Damascus pattern which is what the western called something that looks like the udan mas pamor .
This would explain why I have noticed, at the very least in the NL, that there is a relative disproportionate number of udan mas krises appearing on the market lately. I have to say that, if this is indeed the case, this shows , once again that even the remotest possibility to make an extra buck has become, in the kris market scene, the chance for unscrupulous vendors to do all manner of weird things. So, there are a lot of so called river finds videos showing more or less disintegrated krises being fished out of the waters in Indonesia, these are quite obviously been immersed in acid and then marketed as antiques. On another thread someone showed a Sundang Kris with an pamored insert of some sort , I asked then if this was a thin layer of material applied to the blade and lo and behold on Aliexpress you can buy pieces of more or less thin metal with Damascus patterns which may very well serve the purpose of being used to make an otherwise less interesting blade into a much nicer example, then makes the insert look older and a new product is born. Forgeries are of all times and technology only makes them easier and more believable. |
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