Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 22nd February 2009, 05:56 PM   #1
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default Daab/ Dah Makers Marks

I was thinking it would be intersting to start a thread on daarb/ dha makers marks.







Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd February 2009, 07:05 PM   #2
kronckew
Member
 
kronckew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,150
Default

sometimes the spine marks are also informative



kronckew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd February 2009, 09:31 PM   #3
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,637
Default

This is probably a very common one
... But i still have no trace on its meaning .
Fernando

.
Attached Images
 
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd February 2009, 04:49 AM   #4
kahnjar1
Member
 
kahnjar1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,728
Thumbs up

OK Here are a few to get the ball rolling.
Regards Stuart
Attached Images
       
kahnjar1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd February 2009, 05:37 PM   #5
Mark
Member
 
Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 987
Default

Great thread! Unfortunately, most of the marks are in need of translation, for me. I only know the meaning of two - the "turtle" mark, which my understanding denotes a northern Thai (Chaing Mai) origin, and the "bitter melon seed" (two rosettes), which indicates Aranyik. I have one that bears both:



I am somewhat tentative in the attribution, however, as I only have it from one source, who has been inaccurate in some other respects.

Here are a couple others I have seen:





I would be great if some of our Thai colleagues could verify any of this.
Mark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th February 2009, 05:42 AM   #6
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Another to add...anyone have a sword with the same?

Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th February 2009, 06:06 AM   #7
kahnjar1
Member
 
kahnjar1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,728
Default ...and another one

Forgot this one. On the same blade as the first one above. The script is MON which is the forerunner to modern Burmese, but there is also what appears to be a stilletto type mark.
Attached Images
 
kahnjar1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th February 2009, 05:28 AM   #8
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Interesting piece Stuart, I have not seen many with the Mon script. I do not know much on the Mon people. So here is what I looked up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_people
Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th February 2009, 07:27 AM   #9
kronckew
Member
 
kronckew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,150
Default

not as yet had a translation of the markings on this dha's grip, i've assumed it's some sort of dedication or presentation inscription.

the blade itself is unmarked.

the phoenix on the grip also has an inscription over it.


overall dha for context
kronckew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th February 2009, 05:43 AM   #10
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Mark....I thought it might be funny/ interesting for you to know that when I showed an thai friend, the 4th picture you posted....she said the thai script on the blade looked like the thai word "Hell"!!!!!
Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th February 2009, 03:31 PM   #11
Mark
Member
 
Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 987
Default

No kidding?! Interesting choice for a maker's mark.
Mark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2009, 06:31 PM   #12
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th September 2009, 02:01 PM   #13
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default Some more marks for the archives

Some more marks for the archives;

All four images from the one sword.

Gav
Attached Images
    

Last edited by freebooter; 29th September 2009 at 02:14 PM.
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th September 2009, 07:20 AM   #14
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default Some more your the archives

Some more markings, although I wouldn't say a "makers marks" as such but were certainly marks/design when made.

Gav
Attached Images
   
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th September 2009, 02:52 PM   #15
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Beautiful pieces...thanks for sharing Gav
Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th November 2009, 10:47 PM   #16
asomotif
Member
 
asomotif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,221
Default

Another one :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11028
Attached Images
 
asomotif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2009, 05:56 AM   #17
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default A couple more from Ebay

A couple more from Ebay, maybe the owner is among us?

Gav
Attached Images
  
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2010, 11:30 AM   #18
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default Another for the Dhafia

Another group of markings on a nice ivory hilted Dha. I have included the dha hilt too as I have not seen this much attention payed to ivory other than the real exotic carved pieces.

Best

Gav
Attached Images
  
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2010, 10:16 PM   #19
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathaniel
Another to add...anyone have a sword with the same?

Couple more pistol maker marks to add:



Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2010, 10:18 PM   #20
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

A Star:

Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2010, 10:25 PM   #21
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Arrow

Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2010, 09:46 AM   #22
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathaniel
Another to add...anyone have a sword with the same?

Hi Nathaniel,

This pistol marking is from the Yuen Lam provence on the China Burma border is late 1970-1980s.

Gav
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th September 2010, 06:13 PM   #23
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel.../236-ayw21.jpg

Listed as a British production piece and the BP4, (British Police?), but I didn't see anything listed on the arrow mark....I just did some searching on the internet under British arrow mark and came up with the "Broad Arrow":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_arrow
Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2010, 01:45 AM   #24
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Thumbs up

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002441.html

Great find on the "broad arrow" mark, Nathaniel. As I mentioned to you privately, the "BP4" referenced in the HOS catalogue was a mistake--the "4" referred to the arrow mark.

Given the other "___ P" marks I've seen on bayonets, I'm inclined to think the "BP" stands for Burma Police, but that's mostly speculation on my part.

Cheers,
Andrew
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2010, 03:10 AM   #25
Nathaniel
Member
 
Nathaniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 865
Default

Sweet, love references to the old forum threads. Thanks for the clarification Andrew...
Nathaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.