Translation request for Pascha Mohamed Khusros Pala .

Kurt · 2nd November 2009, 10:13 AM

I have owned this Pala since long time.
The saber comes from the possession of Prince M. S. Waranzow.
Khusro Pascha was Vezir ?? Wali from Bosnien ?
Can tell someone more about this ??

Regards Kurt

Dom · 2nd November 2009, 02:28 PM

WHouaaaaa ....
not possible to have it home to do a translation more easier

WONDERFUL !!

just need some time,
it's Arabic writing, you will get it

but the search in the Koran to determinate the Surat and verses are little bite fastidious .... need patience

à +

Dom

Kurt · 10th November 2009, 10:27 AM

Hi,
Unfortunately only in German,
Any comments?
Regards
Kurt

Dom · 11th November 2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hi,
Unfortunately only in German,
Any comments?
Regards
Kurt

You have mainly the translation

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Dom

Dom · 11th November 2009, 02:54 AM

now the complementary
but a free advice

even our desire to do for the best

our translation and analyses should be not enough, the quality of that "Pala" is too high
and really necessitate a translation from an expert, and none from "amateur" like us

à +

Dom

Kurt · 11th November 2009, 10:59 AM

Dom ,
thanks for your help.
Kurt

Ian · 7th August 2015, 08:09 PM

Beautiful sword, Kurt. Thank you for sharing it with us.

IAN

CharlesS · 7th August 2015, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Beautiful sword, Kurt. Thank you for sharing it with us.

IAN

I just want to ditto Ian.....lovely piece!

ariel · 7th August 2015, 10:28 PM

If this kilij indeed came from the collection of Prince Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov, you got yourself a treasure.
Commander of Russian Occupation Force in France ( after conclusion of which he personally paid all bills of every Russian soldier or officer, just to make sure that nobody could disrespect the Russians), governor of Odessa, commander of Russian Forces during the Caucasus War, owner of the most luxurious estate in the Crimea ( tsar wanted to reproduce it, but was told that it would be too expensive) and husband of Natalia, the muse ( likely a lover) of Pushkin.
Awesome!

stelio · 7th August 2015, 11:17 PM

Wonderful sword Kurt.
Thank you who shared with us.
Stelios

AJ1356 · 10th August 2015, 06:15 PM

So I am going to translate what I can and the rest of Arabic can be translated by one of our Arabic speakers. Also the round seal is inscribed in Persian.
From from the bottome up. The line containing the date seems to be covered by others.
the Second line up reads, Owner Mohammad Khusrau(the end is not pronouced as ROW but more like OUCH without the CH) Paashaa Governor of Bosnia.
The line above it is found on many swrods and has been translated before.
Next up, Victory is from God and conquest is near and tidings to the believers.
the next two lines is a prayer. Oh LORD "create" openess between us and between our people, "truely" you are the best of the openers "conquerers"
This can be said as the opening of the doors of God's mercy.
Oh Opener of doors make open to us the best of doors (again the door to God's mercy)
The next up, Plenty in the name of God, Health in the name of God.
In the name of God, that nothing in the Earth and in the heavens has a feature like him, and You (God) are the Best of in hearing (our payers) the Best in knowledge.
Again any of our native Arabic speakers are welcome to correct me as my Arabic is not that good.
Now to the round seal.
In the center square it reads, Mohammad Khusrau your servant.
the area above it, knowledge and handiwork of Faraah. (Farsi)
to the right of the square, Faith, Safety and Health (Farsi)
Underneath the square, Oh Maker (God) Justly you are LORD (Farsi)
I can't make out the on on the left fully but it goes something like this . .....you are the one who helps me.

AJ

2nd November 2009, 10:13 AM	#1
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 195	Translation request for Pascha Mohamed Khusros Pala . I have owned this Pala since long time. The saber comes from the possession of Prince M. S. Waranzow. Khusro Pascha was Vezir ?? Wali from Bosnien ? Can tell someone more about this ?? Regards Kurt Attached Images

10th November 2009, 10:27 AM	#3
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 195	Part translation Hi, Unfortunately only in German, Any comments? Regards Kurt Attached Images

11th November 2009, 02:54 AM	#5
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	now the complementary but a free advice even our desire to do for the best our translation and analyses should be not enough, the quality of that "Pala" is too high and really necessitate a translation from an expert, and none from "amateur" like us à + Dom Attached Images

2nd November 2009, 02:28 PM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	WHouaaaaa .... not possible to have it home to do a translation more easier WONDERFUL !! just need some time, it's Arabic writing, you will get it but the search in the Koran to determinate the Surat and verses are little bite fastidious .... need patience à + Dom

11th November 2009, 10:59 AM	#6
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 195	Dom , thanks for your help. Kurt

7th August 2015, 08:09 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,023	Beautiful sword, Kurt. Thank you for sharing it with us. IAN

7th August 2015, 10:28 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	If this kilij indeed came from the collection of Prince Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov, you got yourself a treasure. Commander of Russian Occupation Force in France ( after conclusion of which he personally paid all bills of every Russian soldier or officer, just to make sure that nobody could disrespect the Russians), governor of Odessa, commander of Russian Forces during the Caucasus War, owner of the most luxurious estate in the Crimea ( tsar wanted to reproduce it, but was told that it would be too expensive) and husband of Natalia, the muse ( likely a lover) of Pushkin. Awesome!

7th August 2015, 11:17 PM	#10
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Wonderful sword Kurt. Thank you who shared with us. Stelios

10th August 2015, 06:15 PM	#11
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	So I am going to translate what I can and the rest of Arabic can be translated by one of our Arabic speakers. Also the round seal is inscribed in Persian. From from the bottome up. The line containing the date seems to be covered by others. the Second line up reads, Owner Mohammad Khusrau(the end is not pronouced as ROW but more like OUCH without the CH) Paashaa Governor of Bosnia. The line above it is found on many swrods and has been translated before. Next up, Victory is from God and conquest is near and tidings to the believers. the next two lines is a prayer. Oh LORD "create" openess between us and between our people, "truely" you are the best of the openers "conquerers" This can be said as the opening of the doors of God's mercy. Oh Opener of doors make open to us the best of doors (again the door to God's mercy) The next up, Plenty in the name of God, Health in the name of God. In the name of God, that nothing in the Earth and in the heavens has a feature like him, and You (God) are the Best of in hearing (our payers) the Best in knowledge. Again any of our native Arabic speakers are welcome to correct me as my Arabic is not that good. Now to the round seal. In the center square it reads, Mohammad Khusrau your servant. the area above it, knowledge and handiwork of Faraah. (Farsi) to the right of the square, Faith, Safety and Health (Farsi) Underneath the square, Oh Maker (God) Justly you are LORD (Farsi) I can't make out the on on the left fully but it goes something like this . .....you are the one who helps me. AJ