Armenian? Sword

ariel · 6th November 2005, 01:04 AM

This one just ended and was not re-listed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
But just in case: I am not critiquing it in any way, shape or form. On the contrary: I am fascinated by it and want to know more.
The blade is flat and probably quite thin, and the decoration looks "Qajari" to me. The "qama" like handle would easily fit with this style.
But: don't the figures look kind of Satanic or is it just my perverse imagination?
As to the inscription, I looked on the Omniglot and could find no match. Armenian script? Does not look like it....
A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma (with apologies to Sir Winston, not the Andrew one, but Churchill)

Any thoughts?

Battara · 6th November 2005, 03:17 AM

Well, there is one figure that I would question as looking kind of Satanic. Or he may represent Alexandar the Great, who is known as the "Horned One" in that part of the world. Yeah, Qajar also comes to mind.

RSWORD · 6th November 2005, 07:52 PM

The images take on an almost caracaturish or cartoonish look and perhaps done as imitation of Qajar etching one finds on helmets and blades. I have seen devilish figures on Qajar etching before. The script may be done by an illiterate hand again in imitation of something else. I have a shaska with a blade that has a cartoonish "balloon" head that stylistically resembles the work on this blade. I have seen this "balloon" head on a kilij blade as well. What I do not know is if this imitation is a poorly done attempt at mimickry, ie mimicking is the best form of flattery, or, if it has a slightly sarcastic taste to it and a form of amusement to the blade owner. I also do not know what culture it would be from but I have seen this style in enough blades that it is quite interesting.

Jens Nordlunde · 6th November 2005, 10:03 PM

Do you believe in this sword?

Michael Blalock · 7th November 2005, 12:11 AM

What about that bird's eye pattern underneath the engraving? It loods like it was stamped in.

ariel · 7th November 2005, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well, there is one figure that I would question as looking kind of Satanic. Or he may represent Alexandar the Great, who is known as the "Horned One" in that part of the world. Yeah, Qajar also comes to mind.

You mean Colin Farrell?

And the fat chicken is Angelina Jolie?

Rick · 7th November 2005, 12:43 AM

Judging by the action on this forum of late we must be in a very interesting moon phase .............

Battara · 7th November 2005, 10:24 AM

Not to stray too far off topic (well...actually yeah) I think Ariel brings up a good point, though I wouldn't call Colin Farril Satan....maybe more a little demon.

Angelina Jolie is another story...

ariel · 7th November 2005, 06:31 PM

Well, boys, let's behave!

Anyway, any idea what is the language of the inscription?

Andrew · 7th November 2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Not to stray too far off topic (well...actually yeah) I think Ariel brings up a good point, though I wouldn't call Colin Farril Satan....maybe more a little demon.

Angelina Jolie is another story...

Angelina Jolie is, in my humble opinion, appropriately named.

ariel · 7th November 2005, 09:02 PM

Andrew, I thought at least you were the adult here!
What's going on, boys? Are you getting pubertal again? Get a grip on yourself ( NO! NOT THAT WAY!!!)
Think "sword", think "alphabet".....

Tim Simmons · 7th November 2005, 09:24 PM

Think she gives me a big one

sorry

Rick · 7th November 2005, 10:41 PM

Enough is enough with the innuendo ..... let there be no more talk of turgidity !

Seriously this ain't Vaudeville here guys .
Now let's all take off our floppy clown shoes , rubber noses and get back on topic .

Otherwise I'm reporting this one to the Ministry of Silly Threads .

Andrew · 7th November 2005, 11:02 PM

Rivkin · 8th November 2005, 12:00 AM

Well, I can only say that all of the people from northern caucasus that I've shown this sword to, were saying the same thing as I am "looks like cyrillic with modifications" and were pointing the fingers towards the neighboring tribe.

Battara · 8th November 2005, 05:20 AM

Well the clowns who made this....oops! (sorry -

).....I mean the folks who made this look like they used a cross between Hebrew and Cyrrilic.

6th November 2005, 01:04 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Armenian? Sword This one just ended and was not re-listed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 But just in case: I am not critiquing it in any way, shape or form. On the contrary: I am fascinated by it and want to know more. The blade is flat and probably quite thin, and the decoration looks "Qajari" to me. The "qama" like handle would easily fit with this style. But: don't the figures look kind of Satanic or is it just my perverse imagination? As to the inscription, I looked on the Omniglot and could find no match. Armenian script? Does not look like it.... A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma (with apologies to Sir Winston, not the Andrew one, but Churchill) Any thoughts?

7th November 2005, 10:41 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Okay Enough is enough with the innuendo ..... let there be no more talk of turgidity ! Seriously this ain't Vaudeville here guys . Now let's all take off our floppy clown shoes , rubber noses and get back on topic . Otherwise I'm reporting this one to the Ministry of Silly Threads .

6th November 2005, 03:17 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Well, there is one figure that I would question as looking kind of Satanic. Or he may represent Alexandar the Great, who is known as the "Horned One" in that part of the world. Yeah, Qajar also comes to mind.

6th November 2005, 07:52 PM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	The images take on an almost caracaturish or cartoonish look and perhaps done as imitation of Qajar etching one finds on helmets and blades. I have seen devilish figures on Qajar etching before. The script may be done by an illiterate hand again in imitation of something else. I have a shaska with a blade that has a cartoonish "balloon" head that stylistically resembles the work on this blade. I have seen this "balloon" head on a kilij blade as well. What I do not know is if this imitation is a poorly done attempt at mimickry, ie mimicking is the best form of flattery, or, if it has a slightly sarcastic taste to it and a form of amusement to the blade owner. I also do not know what culture it would be from but I have seen this style in enough blades that it is quite interesting.

6th November 2005, 10:03 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	Do you believe in this sword?

7th November 2005, 12:11 AM	#5
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	What about that bird's eye pattern underneath the engraving? It loods like it was stamped in.

7th November 2005, 12:43 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Judging by the action on this forum of late we must be in a very interesting moon phase .............

7th November 2005, 10:24 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Not to stray too far off topic (well...actually yeah) I think Ariel brings up a good point, though I wouldn't call Colin Farril Satan....maybe more a little demon. Angelina Jolie is another story...

7th November 2005, 06:31 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, boys, let's behave! Anyway, any idea what is the language of the inscription?

7th November 2005, 09:02 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Andrew, I thought at least you were the adult here! What's going on, boys? Are you getting pubertal again? Get a grip on yourself ( NO! NOT THAT WAY!!!) Think "sword", think "alphabet".....

7th November 2005, 09:24 PM	#12
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,736	Think she gives me a big one sorry

7th November 2005, 11:02 PM	#14
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725

8th November 2005, 12:00 AM	#15
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, I can only say that all of the people from northern caucasus that I've shown this sword to, were saying the same thing as I am "looks like cyrillic with modifications" and were pointing the fingers towards the neighboring tribe.

8th November 2005, 05:20 AM	#16
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Well the clowns who made this....oops! (sorry - ).....I mean the folks who made this look like they used a cross between Hebrew and Cyrrilic.