Sikin Pasangan

Bill M · 22nd December 2007, 07:27 AM

36" OAL

This is from Aceh, I would like to know more about the type of sword and anything you can tell me about this one?

The silver bands seem of good quality though I think that I'll leave them as they are. I like the patina.

Comments?

Ferguson · 22nd December 2007, 07:48 AM

Stunning!
Steve

Lew · 22nd December 2007, 05:24 PM

Bill

Santa came early to your house this year but how did he fit that sword in your stocking?

Very nice piece congrats,

Lew

Rick · 22nd December 2007, 05:56 PM

The blade reminds me of a peudueng's . (sp?)

Bill M · 22nd December 2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Bill

Santa came early to your house this year but how did he fit that sword in your stocking?

Very nice piece congrats,

Lew

Lew,

I took Jens advice

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Have you all nailed a pair of pantyhose to the mantelpiece? It is better than a stocking, as there will be room for two swords

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I also have a Moro spear/budiak that is about nine feet long. It stuck out of the pantyhose. Will post it soon.

Had fugly yellowish varnish all over the blade and the ferrules,so I am having to clean them. It is coming out very good. The ferrules are silver. Jose, you'll be pleased.

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Originally Posted by Rick

The blade reminds me of a peudueng's . (sp?)

Very good point, Rick.

In all the the below pictures the Sikin is on the bottom. Amazing similarities! The peudueng is a little longer.

Mytribalworld · 22nd December 2007, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

36" OAL

This is from Aceh, I would like to know more about the type of sword and anything you can tell me about this one?

The silver bands seem of good quality though I think that I'll leave them as they are. I like the patina.

Comments?

Hi Bill,

In the first weeks of januari I will list some free to download very old articles about Aceh stuff on my site. The text is however is dutch and German but its is a very good reference work and the plates will speak all languages.
Please don't change anything on the piece and I was you I should also not polish the silver...

Battara · 22nd December 2007, 08:44 PM

I would disagree about the silver......

Would be good to see the blade etched (etching and polishing silver does not lower value).

Bill M · 23rd December 2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Bill,

In the first weeks of January I will list some free to download very old articles about Aceh stuff on my site. The text is however is dutch and German but its is a very good reference work and the plates will speak all languages.
Please don't change anything on the piece and I was you I should also not polish the silver...

Hi Arjan,

Thank you. I can translate German and Dutch. I may not get the idioms and colloquialisms right, but will get the basics.

Sorry Jose, I was thinking about leaving the silver like it is. So far, all I have done is to gently clean the white residue from the carving on the hilt. Otherwise, I think that I'll leave it alone.

RhysMichael · 23rd December 2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

The blade reminds me of a peudueng's . (sp?)

It is a peudeung, pedang or Sikin" ( Sikim , Sikkim, Sekem ). The reason there are so many names for these swords is that there are 10 subethnic groups of acehnesse (such as Aceh , Gayo, Alas, Aneuk Jamee, Melayu Tamiang, Kluet, Devayan, Sigulai, Haloban and Julu )
It is a very nice example. Congatulations.

We have talked about these a few times here on the forum and a couple of years ago I tried to pull together the information from here. you can find it here
http://home.comcast.net/~jtcrosby/Aceh.html

These peudeung can also be found with Hulu tapa guda but I have only see a few of those and unfortunately do not own one.

Bill M · 23rd December 2007, 02:37 AM

Thank you RhysMichael. This is some very good information!!

I REALLY like the designs on the scabbard. The language looks like it could have roots in Tamil.

I wonder if the Achenese had trade with India. Looks like they traded with about everyone else!

Want to know more. Come on Arjan, we are only about a week away from January!

RhysMichael · 23rd December 2007, 02:43 AM

Here is a peudeung with a hulu tapa guda

Another from an earlier thread is here
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=17016&stc=1

RhysMichael · 23rd December 2007, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

I REALLY like the designs on the scabbard. The language looks like it could have roots in Tamil.

I wonder if the Achenese had trade with India. Looks like they traded with about everyone else!

It is believed that there is a long history of trade with India. Hindu and Buddist influence from India may have reached Aceh as early as the first century from

First International Conference of Aceh and Indian Ocean Studies was held by the Asia Research Institute, National University of Singapore Eehabilitation and Construction Executing Agency for Aceh and Nias (BRR), Banda Aceh, Indonesia in February 2007. I am hoping in the second they will have more on the early history of Aceh

you can find the proceedings of that conference here
http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/events_cat...=6&eventid=539

And there are several people here who have sent me a good bit of information on Aceh that I am sure will chime in soon.

CharlesS · 23rd December 2007, 02:14 PM

Here is another one with another nice hulu, and all silver scabbard cover with ivory embellished scabbard mouth.

Dajak · 23rd December 2007, 02:38 PM

That is an nice one Charless looks like an very long one

Ben

asomotif · 24th December 2007, 12:14 PM

A very nice Sikin.

I have had it in my hands last month when it was still in the Netherlands.

The blade is quite common, as far as Siking Pasangangs of this quality are common

The silver can be cleaned, it will get darker by time again.
But I would also choose to leave them as it is.
I Have no experience in etching, but from previous posts by Bill we can see that this is in goods hands

enclosed a picture of a sikin with similar bladepoint.

Bill M · 27th December 2007, 11:42 AM

The handle is horn. Could this be rhino?

asomotif · 27th December 2007, 12:03 PM

Dear Bill,

No, as far as I could see it is Buffalhorn.

Ps. some more pictures of the blades I currently have.
2 x Sikin Pasangang and 1 x Pedueng
I Sikin has a very faint image of a European looking shield engraving.

Bill M · 27th December 2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Bill,

No, as far as I could see it is Buffalhorn.

Thank you Willem,

I am sure you are correct since you are familiar with Sikin and have handled my sword in the Netherlands.

It does not seem as fibrous as rhino is usually.

I read that rhino horn became more sticky when wet and noticed that when I was cleaning the handle it did seem to become sticky. I guess that buffalo horn may also exhibit this characteristic.

You have some nice pieces as well.

22nd December 2007, 07:27 AM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Sikin Pasangan 36" OAL This is from Aceh, I would like to know more about the type of sword and anything you can tell me about this one? The silver bands seem of good quality though I think that I'll leave them as they are. I like the patina. Comments? Attached Images Last edited by Bill Marsh; 22nd December 2007 at 01:03 PM. Reason: Add question

22nd December 2007, 05:56 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	The blade reminds me of a peudueng's . (sp?) Attached Images

23rd December 2007, 02:14 PM	#13
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Here is another one with another nice hulu, and all silver scabbard cover with ivory embellished scabbard mouth. Attached Images

24th December 2007, 12:14 PM	#15
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	A very nice Sikin. I have had it in my hands last month when it was still in the Netherlands. The blade is quite common, as far as Siking Pasangangs of this quality are common The silver can be cleaned, it will get darker by time again. But I would also choose to leave them as it is. I Have no experience in etching, but from previous posts by Bill we can see that this is in goods hands enclosed a picture of a sikin with similar bladepoint. Attached Images

27th December 2007, 12:03 PM	#17
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Dear Bill, No, as far as I could see it is Buffalhorn. Ps. some more pictures of the blades I currently have. 2 x Sikin Pasangang and 1 x Pedueng I Sikin has a very faint image of a European looking shield engraving. Attached Images

22nd December 2007, 07:48 AM	#2
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Stunning! Steve

22nd December 2007, 05:24 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Bill Santa came early to your house this year but how did he fit that sword in your stocking? Very nice piece congrats, Lew

22nd December 2007, 08:44 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I would disagree about the silver...... Would be good to see the blade etched (etching and polishing silver does not lower value).

23rd December 2007, 02:37 AM	#10
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you RhysMichael. This is some very good information!! I REALLY like the designs on the scabbard. The language looks like it could have roots in Tamil. I wonder if the Achenese had trade with India. Looks like they traded with about everyone else! Want to know more. Come on Arjan, we are only about a week away from January!

23rd December 2007, 02:43 AM	#11
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Here is a peudeung with a hulu tapa guda Another from an earlier thread is here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=17016&stc=1

23rd December 2007, 02:38 PM	#14
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	That is an nice one Charless looks like an very long one Ben

27th December 2007, 11:42 AM	#16
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	The handle is horn. Could this be rhino?