Elegant flintlock musket

Marcus den toom · 10th July 2017, 05:24 PM

Hello my fellow collectors, i am in a need of a knowledgable person on Suhl makers of the early 18th century.
I have this flintlock gun with two marks, one on the barrel and one inside the lock.

I do know the Suhler Hen.. the hearth shape is known from those regiosn too (famous families like the Kletts used them i believe?)
The rest is a mystery to me so i hope someone here knows who made this beautifull gun.

fernando · 10th July 2017, 05:51 PM

Beautiful lock, indeed Marcus. Good luck wth the marks ID

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corrado26 · 10th July 2017, 06:31 PM

I think this "GB over a hen" on the inside of the lock is the mark of one of the Spangenberg familiy, all have been gunmakers at Suhl. Unfortunately there existed several G.Spangenbergs who have been living and working during the same time:

- Spangenberg, Georg Daniel, 1670-1752
- Spangenberg, Georg Daniel, 1703-1750
- Spangenberg, Georg Ludwig, 1718-1750
- Spangenberg, Gottfried, 1705-1763
- Spangenberg, Gottfried, 1738-1780

corrado26

Marcus den toom · 10th July 2017, 08:16 PM

Hi Nando and Corrado,

Thank you for the information on the Spangenberg Family, i did a quick search for them and it seems they did more of these quality guns trough the ages.
Attached are a few pictures of the inlaid barrel. It bears a well known picture of a lamb with banner signifying the son of God.

Marcus den toom · 11th July 2017, 10:27 AM

Corrado,

Could i bother you with a request? Could you photograph the pages with information on the Spangenberg family for me and post them here or send them to me?

I am rather intrigued by the barrel mark too, i can't really make out any form.

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 11:35 AM

Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768.

This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780
corrado26

10th July 2017, 05:24 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 493	Elegant flintlock musket Hello my fellow collectors, i am in a need of a knowledgable person on Suhl makers of the early 18th century. I have this flintlock gun with two marks, one on the barrel and one inside the lock. I do know the Suhler Hen.. the hearth shape is known from those regiosn too (famous families like the Kletts used them i believe?) The rest is a mystery to me so i hope someone here knows who made this beautifull gun. Attached Images

10th July 2017, 08:16 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 493	Hi Nando and Corrado, Thank you for the information on the Spangenberg Family, i did a quick search for them and it seems they did more of these quality guns trough the ages. Attached are a few pictures of the inlaid barrel. It bears a well known picture of a lamb with banner signifying the son of God. Attached Images

11th July 2017, 11:35 AM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,166	Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768. This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780 corrado26 Attached Images

10th July 2017, 05:51 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Beautiful lock, indeed Marcus. Good luck wth the marks ID .

10th July 2017, 06:31 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,166	I think this "GB over a hen" on the inside of the lock is the mark of one of the Spangenberg familiy, all have been gunmakers at Suhl. Unfortunately there existed several G.Spangenbergs who have been living and working during the same time: - Spangenberg, Georg Daniel, 1670-1752 - Spangenberg, Georg Daniel, 1703-1750 - Spangenberg, Georg Ludwig, 1718-1750 - Spangenberg, Gottfried, 1705-1763 - Spangenberg, Gottfried, 1738-1780 corrado26

11th July 2017, 10:27 AM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 493	Corrado, Could i bother you with a request? Could you photograph the pages with information on the Spangenberg family for me and post them here or send them to me? I am rather intrigued by the barrel mark too, i can't really make out any form.