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Old 19th April 2018, 03:15 PM   #1
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Once again a request for help on such lousy pictures of a sword on a rather poor condition.
I have tried to compare it with examples discussed in this forum and it seemed to me that there is a fair similarity with the sword discussed HERE, which had Jim's comments HERE...
Please tell me guys that i am not completely mistaken and kindly fire your comments at will !


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Old 19th April 2018, 04:30 PM   #2
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Hi Fernando, yes your basket-hilt is in the same style as Mark's and I would judge of a very similar date. His, however is a half basket while yours is a full basket with a ring for managing reins i.e. it is a cavalry trooper's sword. so most likely English-made for a trooper in the British (government) army around the period of the Jacobite rebellions.
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Old 19th April 2018, 10:03 PM   #3
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Thank you so much for your input, Neil.
I was so dumb i didn't even notice the difference between half and full basket.
... And so was the reins loop detail news to me .
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My pleasure, Fernando. There are 2 main theories as to how the open ring, on the inside of the hilt for a right-handed swordsman, worked. 1: the reins could be pushed through the ring and gripped by the fingers of the right hand which is already holding the sword, to enable the soldier to fire a pistol with his left hand.
2: the thumb of the left hand could be inserted through the ring to hold the sword, while still holding the reins, to enable the soldier to fire a pistol with his right hand.
I have never tried either theory (or even ridden a horse) so cannot comment on the validity of either. Perhaps someone else can help out here.
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Old 21st April 2018, 05:25 PM   #5
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Well Neil, being myself one handed, that would be a problematic procedure .
But in any case, i have never ridden a horse either .
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Old 21st April 2018, 08:02 PM   #6
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I am green with envy for your new acquisition, Fernando! This is an amazing baskethilt from the time period I love most (Jacobite Rebellion). It is my sincere hope to own one like it some day ( or for you to send it to me for authentication! I'll give it back, I swear!! ). Congrats, my friend!
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Old 22nd April 2018, 11:40 AM   #7
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...Congrats, my friend! ...
No Captain; no congrats but regrets instead. I keep trying to acquire a basket hilt from this local guy and he either answers "this one i don't sell" or he asks for an implausible amount on the one he doesn't mind to spare ... like the current one . The € he wants would buy a top condition example ... which is not the case at all .
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Old 22nd April 2018, 08:57 PM   #8
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Sorry to hear that, my friend! It was a nice example, but as you pointed out, a old soldier. These swords still fetch outrageous prices on the market. Still, thanks for posting the old beast!
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I am glad i thought i was the old beast myself .
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