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Old 5th February 2013, 12:58 PM   #1
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Default sword dao chinese need help for restoration of the uncommon handle, and comments

Hello to all
think you that Chinese sword

I need advice to restore the handle lacks a sort of rafia braid!

the handle is made of wood covered with rafia??, the tip is bronze
the scabbard is wood lacquered red, the extremitees are galuchat
and then frame bronze.
the blade is very sharp
total lenght 83 cm , measuring 62 cm blade, 6 mm thick at the base of the guard.
It weighs with the 1kg100gr slider
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Old 5th February 2013, 01:00 PM   #2
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THE SCABBARD
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Old 5th February 2013, 06:40 PM   #3
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The braiding seems to have a very good patination, sadly it's uncomplete. IMHO a very difficult projekt. I think this will need a profi-restorer. And until you don't know the material I would do nothing.

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Old 6th February 2013, 05:32 AM   #4
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The braiding seems to have a very good patination, sadly it's uncomplete. IMHO a very difficult projekt. I think this will need a profi-restorer. And until you don't know the material I would do nothing.

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Old 6th February 2013, 09:33 AM   #5
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Looks like platted rush or reed or grass. A material like raffia could be platted as a substitute and will not take too long to mellow. People that restore furniture, rush covered chairs, basket makers, might help with materials. In parts of the world where grasses are more commonly used for everyday items, replacing would be done as and when needed. So if you really find it annoying then replacement would not be a sin in my mind.
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Thanks tim



A person will ' it photos of a braided handle?
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Old 6th February 2013, 12:13 PM   #7
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Weird that the rayskin is only present underneath the fittings... Perhaps it once covered the entire scabbard, but is now destroyed...?


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Old 6th February 2013, 10:20 PM   #8
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This is a new one for me. Modern?
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This is a new one for me. Modern?



I too have a feeling about this one ...
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Weird that the rayskin is only present underneath the fittings... Perhaps it once covered the entire scabbard, but is now destroyed...?


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I also think that the rayskin has disappeared and the scabbard was repeind later.
because the fixing of the scabbard level I of the game, about the thickness of the rayskin
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This is a new one for me. Modern?


Nothing modern looking about this...over cleaned yes.
Several others of the type have been seen and discussed within these pages.
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Nothing modern looking about this...over cleaned yes.
Several others of the type have been seen and discussed within these pages.


Huh. As I said--new to me, but I've certainly not seen it all.

Maybe some SEA influence in the long, cylindrical handle?
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Old 7th February 2013, 05:17 PM   #13
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sword has been cleaned the blade also as well as the scabbard

This sword is old !!!!!!
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I too was not suggesting that this is 'brand' new ....I think this could be a 'recent' marriage of older .....and perhaps some newer parts

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I think it just a rather nice old example that is a bit worn out and polished. The skin ray skin can be replaced as easy as the handle wrap. You are never going to fake up or recreate that look that it has now. Nice pommel.
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My twopennyworth is that it is an old blade and scabbard, dubious guard and grip, and a downright suspicious pommel. The suspension mount has slipped and is too low on the scabbard, the sword would not balance on the suspension cord.
The mounts on these are usualy quite simple, and not figurative like this one. Nonetheless, worth having. Chinese swords have been much under rated in the past, and polish up nicely with a good figure in the metal when etched. I am doing one up of my own, which is why I did some digging around on them.
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My twopennyworth is that it is an old blade and scabbard, dubious guard and grip, and a downright suspicious pommel. The suspension mount has slipped and is too low on the scabbard, the sword would not balance on the suspension cord.
The mounts on these are usualy quite simple, and not figurative like this one. Nonetheless, worth having. Chinese swords have been much under rated in the past, and polish up nicely with a good figure in the metal when etched. I am doing one up of my own, which is why I did some digging around on them.



hi david
Here is the initial place of sleeve rings,as I said the sleeve was covered with rayskin that disappeared so the scabbard ring slide
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Huh. As I said--new to me, but I've certainly not seen it all.

Maybe some SEA influence in the long, cylindrical handle?

I had the feeling of a SEA influence as well by the nature of the grip, its proportions, as well as the wrap treatment. It has very likely gone through many hands over the years. It is great to see it so complete though. Even if it is not in it's potential "original" construction. It is still a nice example. Thank you for sharing.
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