Damascus steel ??

sandeepsingh · 4th January 2008, 03:05 AM

I am little confused about the origin of damascus steel. Was it also produced in any other part of the world in 18C.
Damascus steel was there in India in 18C but dont no about other parts of the world.
Commemts are heartly welcomed

kahnjar1 · 4th January 2008, 03:41 AM

As with most things these days, the Internet is a mine of information. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel. Great info here but.....the term was also used to describe the manufacture of gun barrels......so not just blade related.
Regards

Stuart

sandeepsingh · 4th January 2008, 04:39 AM

Thanks Stuart

I know its a place for experts and collectors but please help youngers too in getting information

i m really seeking for corporation

kahnjar1 · 4th January 2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sandeepsingh

Thanks Stuart

I know its a place for experts and collectors but please help youngers too in getting information

i m really seeking for corporation

Hi Sandeep,

Please understand I am no expert, and that is certainly not the impression I intended to convey. Also I don't believe that any of us are really experts anyway.

If we were, then there would be no need for Forums like this one!

I think that all of us are learning until the day we die, and by sharing the information we individually have, enhances the general knowledge of all of us.

The link I gave you has a broad description of the origins of Damascus steel, and I thought would put you on the right track as to dates etc.

.

Regards,
Stuart

kronckew · 4th January 2008, 01:55 PM

using the search command will bring up a wealth of past info on damascus steel, here is one link to a thread here with a bit more info:

Linky

'damascus steel' is what is now generally applied to pattern welded steels of differing compositions, while wootz (or balut in russian) is the crucible 'watered' steel made famous in the old eastern and middle eastern legends. the history is murky at best, pattern welded damascus was found in early viking swords, and even earlier roman ones.

Jim McDougall · 4th January 2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sandeepsingh

I am little confused about the origin of damascus steel. Was it also produced in any other part of the world in 18C.
Damascus steel was there in India in 18C but dont no about other parts of the world.
Commemts are heartly welcomed

Aside from using the search feature here on this forum, and reading the outstanding discussions on this topic, a very good resource is the book "On Damascus Steel" by Dr. Leo Figiel.
Metallurgy is still a puzzle to me, no matter how many years I study the weapons it seems, but the core of knowledge and great descriptions by the participants here has really helped immensely.

Best regards,
Jim

Andrew · 5th January 2008, 03:03 AM

Come on, guys. I can't make it much easier for you.

Check out some of the threads linked here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3699

Andrew · 5th January 2008, 03:05 AM

Here's another good link on this site:

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/patterns.html

RobT · 5th January 2008, 03:27 AM

Hi sandeepsingh,
For historical perspective and geographical distribution I would strongly recommend "Crucible Steel in Central Asia: Production, Use and Origins" which is the doctoral thesis of Dr. Anna Marie Feuerbach (aka moltenmuse). In the past Dr. Feuerbach made CD copies of her thesis available for a nominal fee. She has also participated in this forum so you may be able to contact her by email. Anyone with an interest in wootz shouldn't be without this resource. In addition I would also consider indispensable "Metallurgy of Steel for Bladesmiths & Others who Heat Treat and Forge Steel" by Dr. John D. Verhoeven, Emeritus Professor, Iowa State University. I think you might be able to download it from the internet. Neither of these monographs qualify as easy reading and the Verhoeven piece is especially brutal but it makes clear some of the metallurgic principles that aren't fully explained in the Feuerbach work.

Jens Nordlunde · 5th January 2008, 10:16 AM

When we are at it, a few more book can be added, books like these.

Allan, James & Gilmour, Brian: Persian Steel, The Tanavoli Collection. Oxford University Press, 2000. $ 170.

Elwin, Verrier: The Agaria. Humphrey Milford, Oxford University Press, 1942.

Panseri, Carlo: Gladius: Damascus Steel in Legend and in Reality. Gladius, tome IV, Granada, 1965.

Sachse, Manfred: Damaszener Stahl.Verlag für neue Wissenschaft GmbH, Bremerhaven 1989.

4th January 2008, 03:05 AM	#1
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Damascus steel ?? I am little confused about the origin of damascus steel. Was it also produced in any other part of the world in 18C. Damascus steel was there in India in 18C but dont no about other parts of the world. Commemts are heartly welcomed

4th January 2008, 03:41 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,728	Damascus Steel origins As with most things these days, the Internet is a mine of information. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel. Great info here but.....the term was also used to describe the manufacture of gun barrels......so not just blade related. Regards Stuart

5th January 2008, 03:27 AM	#9
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 452	Contact Dr Anna Hi sandeepsingh, For historical perspective and geographical distribution I would strongly recommend "Crucible Steel in Central Asia: Production, Use and Origins" which is the doctoral thesis of Dr. Anna Marie Feuerbach (aka moltenmuse). In the past Dr. Feuerbach made CD copies of her thesis available for a nominal fee. She has also participated in this forum so you may be able to contact her by email. Anyone with an interest in wootz shouldn't be without this resource. In addition I would also consider indispensable "Metallurgy of Steel for Bladesmiths & Others who Heat Treat and Forge Steel" by Dr. John D. Verhoeven, Emeritus Professor, Iowa State University. I think you might be able to download it from the internet. Neither of these monographs qualify as easy reading and the Verhoeven piece is especially brutal but it makes clear some of the metallurgic principles that aren't fully explained in the Feuerbach work.

4th January 2008, 04:39 AM	#3
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Thanks Stuart I know its a place for experts and collectors but please help youngers too in getting information i m really seeking for corporation

4th January 2008, 01:55 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	using the search command will bring up a wealth of past info on damascus steel, here is one link to a thread here with a bit more info: Linky 'damascus steel' is what is now generally applied to pattern welded steels of differing compositions, while wootz (or balut in russian) is the crucible 'watered' steel made famous in the old eastern and middle eastern legends. the history is murky at best, pattern welded damascus was found in early viking swords, and even earlier roman ones.

5th January 2008, 03:03 AM	#7
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Come on, guys. I can't make it much easier for you. Check out some of the threads linked here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3699

5th January 2008, 03:05 AM	#8
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Here's another good link on this site: http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/patterns.html

5th January 2008, 10:16 AM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	When we are at it, a few more book can be added, books like these. Allan, James & Gilmour, Brian: Persian Steel, The Tanavoli Collection. Oxford University Press, 2000. $ 170. Elwin, Verrier: The Agaria. Humphrey Milford, Oxford University Press, 1942. Panseri, Carlo: Gladius: Damascus Steel in Legend and in Reality. Gladius, tome IV, Granada, 1965. Sachse, Manfred: Damaszener Stahl.Verlag für neue Wissenschaft GmbH, Bremerhaven 1989.