New Kris Bladed Dagger

Robert · 24th November 2010, 07:18 PM

Picked this up a couple of weeks ago. Another kris dagger that I believe is probably from Luzon. The carabao horn grip has brass fittings and the tang of the blade extends through the hilt and is then peened over. It looks like it could have had decorative twisted wire in the spiral groove at one point. The scabbard (which I'm not sure is original to the dagger) is made of wood with braided rattan bands of which one or more are missing. One of the odd things about this dagger is that the hilt is off-set to the blade and the guard is longer on one side like you would find on a single edged fixed blade knife. The pictures below are from the auction. Age I would put at late 1890s to early 1900s. All comments welcomes.

Overall Length = 15-3/8 inches
Blade Length = 10-3/4 inches
Blade At Widest = 1-1/16 inches
Blade At Thickest = 3/16 inch
Hilt Length = 4-5/8 inches

Sajen · 24th November 2010, 09:45 PM

Again a very nice dagger you add to your collection, congrats!

Best regards,

Detlef

Battara · 24th November 2010, 11:47 PM

Well once again Robert, I bow in your presence. I would agree with you on dating this piece. You are also correct in that it is from Luzon. In fact I would say that it is Ilokano from Ilocos Norte where they are known for wavy blades with tangs that go all the way through. I may post my own example next for comparison if you need. Nice piece.

Robert · 24th November 2010, 11:59 PM

Detlef, Thank you very much for your kind words. I always enjoy finding something new with these small differences in it construction to add to my collection.

Jose, I am very glad to hear I got the dating right on this one

and I would be more than happy if you would post pictures of your dagger for comparison.

Detlef and Jose, Again my thank for your interest and comments.

Robert

Battara · 28th November 2010, 02:47 AM

Ok here is my Ilocano dagger. It is from the beginning of the Philippine Revolution (notice the triangle, stars, and 8 ray sun face). On the back, the inscription states "Ylocos Norte" from the town of Laoag.

Robert · 28th November 2010, 11:45 AM

Jose, Thank you very much for posting your fine dagger for comparison. The only problem is that it makes mine look rather plain compared to it.

I've always wanted to find one with the blade marked with the triangle, stars and sun face but so far no luck. One day hopefully I will. In the mean time, if you get tired of looking at this beautiful dagger of yours you already have my address so please feel free to box it up and ship it.

What is your opinion on the hilt being off-set to the center of the blade and the guard being longer on one side than the other like what would normally be found on a single edged fixed blade knife

It is
unlike anything I have ever seen on any dagger before. I have added a new picture below that shows this arrangement better than the ones above.

Robert

24th November 2010, 07:18 PM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	New Kris Bladed Dagger Picked this up a couple of weeks ago. Another kris dagger that I believe is probably from Luzon. The carabao horn grip has brass fittings and the tang of the blade extends through the hilt and is then peened over. It looks like it could have had decorative twisted wire in the spiral groove at one point. The scabbard (which I'm not sure is original to the dagger) is made of wood with braided rattan bands of which one or more are missing. One of the odd things about this dagger is that the hilt is off-set to the blade and the guard is longer on one side like you would find on a single edged fixed blade knife. The pictures below are from the auction. Age I would put at late 1890s to early 1900s. All comments welcomes. Overall Length = 15-3/8 inches Blade Length = 10-3/4 inches Blade At Widest = 1-1/16 inches Blade At Thickest = 3/16 inch Hilt Length = 4-5/8 inches Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 24th November 2010 at 07:57 PM.

28th November 2010, 02:47 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Ok here is my Ilocano dagger. It is from the beginning of the Philippine Revolution (notice the triangle, stars, and 8 ray sun face). On the back, the inscription states "Ylocos Norte" from the town of Laoag. Attached Images

28th November 2010, 11:45 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Jose, Thank you very much for posting your fine dagger for comparison. The only problem is that it makes mine look rather plain compared to it. I've always wanted to find one with the blade marked with the triangle, stars and sun face but so far no luck. One day hopefully I will. In the mean time, if you get tired of looking at this beautiful dagger of yours you already have my address so please feel free to box it up and ship it. What is your opinion on the hilt being off-set to the center of the blade and the guard being longer on one side than the other like what would normally be found on a single edged fixed blade knife It is unlike anything I have ever seen on any dagger before. I have added a new picture below that shows this arrangement better than the ones above. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 28th November 2010 at 12:03 PM.

24th November 2010, 09:45 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,482	Again a very nice dagger you add to your collection, congrats! Best regards, Detlef

24th November 2010, 11:47 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Well once again Robert, I bow in your presence. I would agree with you on dating this piece. You are also correct in that it is from Luzon. In fact I would say that it is Ilokano from Ilocos Norte where they are known for wavy blades with tangs that go all the way through. I may post my own example next for comparison if you need. Nice piece.

24th November 2010, 11:59 PM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Detlef, Thank you very much for your kind words. I always enjoy finding something new with these small differences in it construction to add to my collection. Jose, I am very glad to hear I got the dating right on this one and I would be more than happy if you would post pictures of your dagger for comparison. Detlef and Jose, Again my thank for your interest and comments. Robert