17th- 18th North Italian dagger

eftihis · 15th September 2022, 10:21 PM

Opinions please regarding authenticity.

Rick · 16th September 2022, 12:09 AM

I'm skeptical, the blade looks like it was made yesterday. The decoration on the guard looks pretty crude compared to the rest of the piece.

Just my opinion though, this is not my field of interest.

Jim McDougall · 16th September 2022, 04:15 AM

Interesting melange of features, an innovative creation.
The 'face' on the guard reminiscent of 'green man' type theme of early to mid 17th c. English hilts.
The artistically copied 'anchor' of many 17th c. Spanish swords was never as far as I have known been seen on daggers.
In this case the pierced apertures in the blade recall Albacete style daggers and plug bayonets.
Intriguing, but certainly not of antiquity in my opinion.

Radboud · 16th September 2022, 06:09 AM

Interesting knife, not my area but the markings and blade piercing is almost identical to one of my smallswords:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27980

Jim McDougall · 16th September 2022, 07:19 AM

As indicated in the linked thread, the 'anchor' is not a 'Toledo' mark but a conventional device used in a symbolic sense on blades there initially, but was followed in degree in some other centers...most notably Solingen.

fernando · 16th September 2022, 05:28 PM

Atypical piece indeed. Is this dagger in your collection, Eftihis ?

eftihis · 17th September 2022, 07:39 AM

Hi Fernando! It is not my area of collection, but its a fascinated area so i have some old european daggers

fernando · 17th September 2022, 10:19 AM

What an excelent set of daggers. Thanks for sharing it.

15th September 2022, 10:21 PM	#1
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16th September 2022, 12:09 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,261	I'm skeptical, the blade looks like it was made yesterday. The decoration on the guard looks pretty crude compared to the rest of the piece. Just my opinion though, this is not my field of interest.

16th September 2022, 04:15 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,731	Interesting melange of features, an innovative creation. The 'face' on the guard reminiscent of 'green man' type theme of early to mid 17th c. English hilts. The artistically copied 'anchor' of many 17th c. Spanish swords was never as far as I have known been seen on daggers. In this case the pierced apertures in the blade recall Albacete style daggers and plug bayonets. Intriguing, but certainly not of antiquity in my opinion.

16th September 2022, 06:09 AM	#4
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 223	Interesting knife, not my area but the markings and blade piercing is almost identical to one of my smallswords: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27980

16th September 2022, 07:19 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,731	As indicated in the linked thread, the 'anchor' is not a 'Toledo' mark but a conventional device used in a symbolic sense on blades there initially, but was followed in degree in some other centers...most notably Solingen.

16th September 2022, 05:28 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,631	Atypical piece indeed. Is this dagger in your collection, Eftihis ?

17th September 2022, 10:19 AM	#8
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,631	What an excelent set of daggers. Thanks for sharing it.