Wilah nr2 hope you can help with identification

Harley · 5th January 2012, 09:01 PM

This blade is about 35 cm without pesi, when i bought this one they told it was from East Java/Madura, but i don't know if that is true.

A. G. Maisey · 5th January 2012, 10:48 PM

Yes, it possibly is East Jawa, I don't think Madura, very unlikely to be Central Jawa.

Not much of a blade, and nothing I can see to allow me to take a punt at giving it a classification.

Harley · 5th January 2012, 11:13 PM

Thank you Alan, i shall place the third wilah here, because i think that it is a sort of the same as this one.
And i hope that this time i do it in the right way, but you have to scroll

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 6th January 2012, 04:26 AM

Harley, this blade is vastly better than the previous one.

I am uncertain as to a classification, but I think possibly north coast, towards the west. Stained properly this blade would come up nicely. Not a bad blade at all.

Amuk Murugul · 6th January 2012, 05:48 AM

Hullo everybody,

Harley, your blades that I have seen seem to come from the Cirebon/Tegal area. If all of them are similar, you must have had a field day buying them up.

BTW ..... if they are indeed from this area, then I would call them 'Sunda', especially if they are longer than 'normal' (i.e. more akin to the larger Balinese blades). The Sunda traditionally prefer their blades to be 'dry' looking. Hence they don't stain them.
Blades tend to be simple and not 'proud'/intimidating.
WRT to dapur, that's more difficult.
Cirebon has had the longest exposure to Jawa influence. So the blades tend to follow the prevailing pakem Jawa. Though there are still those who adhere to the old pakem. However, I have noticed blades which seem to be some form of 'marriage' between the two. Confusion? Or merely commercial opportunism?

Best,

Harley · 6th January 2012, 11:34 AM

That is a nice surprise!
Thank you again Alan, you're of the greatest help to me.

Hello Amuk Murugul,

To my untrained eyes they where similar, but it says more about me then about the wilah's i 'm afraid

I don't think they are longer as usual, this one is 35,5 cm(I forgot to mention).
I can Imagen that it's so difficult to tell something about the blades and even more when there is some kind of marriage between to different styles.
Thank you very much for your contribution!

regards,
Ben

Sajen · 7th January 2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

The Sunda traditionally prefer their blades to be 'dry' looking. Hence they don't stain them.

As well interesting since I have read/heard this before. And I have done an observation: Many (if I am able to say so since I haven't seen so much) keris sheaths from this region are painted (look my first example) or coated with something I don't know so that you can't see the wood. Someone else are able to confirm this? And why is it like this?

Regards,

Detlef

5th January 2012, 09:01 PM	#1
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Wilah nr2 hope you can help with identification This blade is about 35 cm without pesi, when i bought this one they told it was from East Java/Madura, but i don't know if that is true. Attached Images

5th January 2012, 11:13 PM	#3
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thank you Alan, i shall place the third wilah here, because i think that it is a sort of the same as this one. And i hope that this time i do it in the right way, but you have to scroll regards, Ben Attached Images

5th January 2012, 10:48 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	Yes, it possibly is East Jawa, I don't think Madura, very unlikely to be Central Jawa. Not much of a blade, and nothing I can see to allow me to take a punt at giving it a classification.

6th January 2012, 04:26 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	Harley, this blade is vastly better than the previous one. I am uncertain as to a classification, but I think possibly north coast, towards the west. Stained properly this blade would come up nicely. Not a bad blade at all.

6th January 2012, 05:48 AM	#5
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 457	Hullo everybody, Harley, your blades that I have seen seem to come from the Cirebon/Tegal area. If all of them are similar, you must have had a field day buying them up. BTW ..... if they are indeed from this area, then I would call them 'Sunda', especially if they are longer than 'normal' (i.e. more akin to the larger Balinese blades). The Sunda traditionally prefer their blades to be 'dry' looking. Hence they don't stain them. Blades tend to be simple and not 'proud'/intimidating. WRT to dapur, that's more difficult. Cirebon has had the longest exposure to Jawa influence. So the blades tend to follow the prevailing pakem Jawa. Though there are still those who adhere to the old pakem. However, I have noticed blades which seem to be some form of 'marriage' between the two. Confusion? Or merely commercial opportunism? Best,

6th January 2012, 11:34 AM	#6
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	That is a nice surprise! Thank you again Alan, you're of the greatest help to me. Hello Amuk Murugul, To my untrained eyes they where similar, but it says more about me then about the wilah's i 'm afraid I don't think they are longer as usual, this one is 35,5 cm(I forgot to mention). I can Imagen that it's so difficult to tell something about the blades and even more when there is some kind of marriage between to different styles. Thank you very much for your contribution! regards, Ben