Two from S.Sudan, C.E Africa

Tim Simmons · 9th April 2007, 05:34 PM

I am having bit of a festival today, that's okay we're all friends here

. It a holiday in the UK. Something I got right today. Nice foot to the spear lovely haft and beautiful blade and balance, a thumb slasher when cleaning. Truly fantastic club.

katana · 9th April 2007, 07:15 PM

Hi Tim,
nice spear .......the giant 'twiglet' is unusual

....I have seen several Shillelaghs that, from memory....where very similar ......Irish?

Freddy · 9th April 2007, 08:35 PM

Nice spear, Tim. Is it from the Sudan ?

We don't see those very often in Belgium, you know.

Tim Simmons · 9th April 2007, 09:17 PM

Freddy,
I am sure the spears of this general form are from S, Sudan, Uganda and possibly N, Kenya. As I mentioned, and post a spear a month or so back. The stylist influence is quite widespread. Though it does seem to change quite dramatically when one thinks about the Congo {further than Zande and Mangbetu} and the Western Sahara.

David. There is that instinct to think is it Irish. Where does that come from? The club came from a collection of many artifacts from the S.Sudan Nile river region. I took what I thought were the best bits though I did think about the beautiful carved paddles and a bow. Some other chap seemed to more money or something like that.

katana · 9th April 2007, 09:46 PM

Hi Tim,
strangely enough the film 'Khartoum' ( Charlton Heston & Lawrence Olivier)was on TV today

I was acutely aware of the weaponary used....now I am not saying that it was totally historically accurate but....the majority of the swords were kaskaras with a few Shamshirs making an appearance..so pretty accurate there...the majority of the Mahdists had spears ...that were very similar to the one you posted .....so if they got the swords right..........

As to the club, I have never seen this type of club attributed to Africa.....but that does not mean it isn't. I suppose the determining factor is to match the wood to an African tree specie.

9th April 2007, 05:34 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,736	Two from S.Sudan, C.E Africa I am having bit of a festival today, that's okay we're all friends here . It a holiday in the UK. Something I got right today. Nice foot to the spear lovely haft and beautiful blade and balance, a thumb slasher when cleaning. Truly fantastic club. Attached Images

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katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Tim, nice spear .......the giant 'twiglet' is unusual ....I have seen several Shillelaghs that, from memory....where very similar ......Irish? Last edited by katana; 9th April 2007 at 07:31 PM.

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9th April 2007, 08:35 PM	#3
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Nice spear, Tim. Is it from the Sudan ? We don't see those very often in Belgium, you know.

9th April 2007, 09:17 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,736	Freddy, I am sure the spears of this general form are from S, Sudan, Uganda and possibly N, Kenya. As I mentioned, and post a spear a month or so back. The stylist influence is quite widespread. Though it does seem to change quite dramatically when one thinks about the Congo {further than Zande and Mangbetu} and the Western Sahara. David. There is that instinct to think is it Irish. Where does that come from? The club came from a collection of many artifacts from the S.Sudan Nile river region. I took what I thought were the best bits though I did think about the beautiful carved paddles and a bow. Some other chap seemed to more money or something like that.

9th April 2007, 09:46 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Tim, strangely enough the film 'Khartoum' ( Charlton Heston & Lawrence Olivier)was on TV today I was acutely aware of the weaponary used....now I am not saying that it was totally historically accurate but....the majority of the swords were kaskaras with a few Shamshirs making an appearance..so pretty accurate there...the majority of the Mahdists had spears ...that were very similar to the one you posted .....so if they got the swords right.......... As to the club, I have never seen this type of club attributed to Africa.....but that does not mean it isn't. I suppose the determining factor is to match the wood to an African tree specie.